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> [...] how to build better online communities by studying internet history. I love that part already, even without reading the full article. Yesterday, I had
by MrGilbert 7y ago
> [...] how to build better online communities by studying internet history.
I love that part already, even without reading the full article. Yesterday, I had an interesting experience (yes, storytime):
I started using a fountain pen again a while ago, and wanted to research why I've some pain in my wrist after using it[1]. So I stumbled upon an old thread, which basically asked how to develop a "well-refined handwriting"[2].
This thread was from 2004, so just short after when I started to use "the internet". The conversation was all in all very polite, respectful, with some tips from other members, and often some kind of "well, you could try it like this and that" or "I found something here, where xyz showed you could do it like this", "I prefer to do it like this, but ymmv.", and etc.
The thread spans 19 pages, and, interestingly, is still active almost 15 years later.
What stroke me the most was the change of tone towards the end. There was a lot more "you HAVE to do it like that", "THIS is how it WORKS!" and there like. Also, they started discussing what "well-refined" means at all. 15 years later. There was a lot of, let's say, "whining" towards the end of this thread (that school nowadays needs a lot of parental involvment, nothing works, and everything is bad).
I am left confused. Something has changed in the last 15 years, and I'm not sure what the reason is.
[1]: You guessed it: It has to do with the way I'm holding it. Now, back to topic!
[2]: //edited upon request, german page though: https://www.penexchange.de/forum_neu/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=378 https://www.penexchange.de/forum_neu/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=37...
- yummypaint 7y agoCould it be more school-aged children online?
- yori 7y ago> Despite the english name of the website, it's a german page, so no use in linking it here I suppose. No, please do link it here. First, there are many Germans here who would appreciate it. Second, people like me who cannot read German can still auto-translate the page to English and read it.
- MrGilbert 7y agoUnderstood - I added the link. :)
- prox 7y agoI think you bumped into something here. I noticed trends over the years in various communities. I personally call it the “proverbial 12 years old” effect. I came up with it when I noticed that on days when school was out that some public fora became a lot more degenerate (trolling, low-effort, accusatory tone, and so on) and often it was noticeable age played a factor. It’s probably wrong to call it that towards the many fine young users on any platform, but there is definitely some correlation. There is also a trend when a social media platform becomes suddenly very popular : not all have the means, the inclination or the ability to be respectful. As others mentioned, training people to be excellent towards one another and forming and following a netiquette takes time, and unfortunately needs to be enforced (even at HN which I feel has a pretty good to high standard for discussions and little tolerance for bad faith disruption)