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It's Facebook after all, so of course there is no privacy there. Imagine using this service and with their total lack of privacy and having your preferences spi

It's Facebook after all, so of course there is no privacy there. Imagine using this service and with their total lack of privacy and having your preferences spilled out. Same as putting them on a billboard.

jka 7y ago
What could be worse is if the same patterns and culture of allowing targeting and monetization carry over to Facebook Dating from the rest of the Facebook platform and organization. Combined with romance scams[0], it seems possible that Facebook Dating would provide narcissists, manipulators and fraudsters with a lucrative marketplace to operate in. [0] - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51459517 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51459517
- Fernicia 7y ago
  This is basically a Nigerian prince fraud. What's new?
londons_explore 7y ago
> Same as putting them on a billboard. I don't really understand why services like these don't drop the pretense of keeping your private data private, and instead simply say "anything you write on our website will be published online publicly". While there might be some user backlash, I don't think it would be that big, and would meet all the laws and regulations.
- g_p 7y ago
  Interestingly, this might not necessarily comply with GDPR Article 25 (2): > The controller shall implement appropriate technical and organisational measures for ensuring that, by default, only personal data which are necessary for each specific purpose of the processing are processed. That obligation applies to the amount of personal data collected, the extent of their processing, the period of their storage and their accessibility. In particular, such measures shall ensure that by default personal data are not made accessible without the individual’s intervention to an indefinite number of natural persons. The intent appears to be to prevent a scenario where personal data is "shared publicly" by default. Given the broad definition of "personal data" and the underlying principle of "privacy by default", it seems likely to me that a "default-to-public" sharing system would be non-compliant.
heartbeats 7y ago
To be fair, it's somewhat more justified for dating. Doing creepy psychological profiling to sell me ads for a few extra shekels? Very dodgy. Doing creepy psychological profiling to find matches with traits neither party would otherwise voluntarily disclose on a public profile? I mean, yeah, sure. It's not the case that people are concerned over Facebook having their innermost desires stored on some server somewhere, although they like to pretend so. The issue is more along the lines of whether natural persons they interact with IRL see them - this is why people are OK with using Tinder and Facebook messenger, but not with having private conversations over Twitter. Of course, they'll use the profiling for both. But the end user arguably extracts more of the value than they do from getting sold more relevant ads.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > Doing creepy psychological profiling to sell me ads for a few extra shekels? Is this antisemetic? Why did you say shekels rather than dollars?
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  - Konnstann 7y ago
    shekels is more fun to say than dollars, that's why I use it. Currency is interchangeable, so why not?
    - chrisseaton 7y ago
      > so why not? Because there's a slur going back millennia against the Jewish people persecuting them as conspiring money-grabbers, and Zuckerberg has Jewish heritage and you were accusing him of being a conspiring money-grabber.
      - dmitriid 7y ago
        I'm of Jewish heritage, I chuckled at the joke. Please stop being offended on behalf of other nations and races.
blaser-waffle 7y ago
Isn't Tinder already linked to a Facebook account? You think those aren't exchanging data somehow?

jka 7y ago

What could be worse is if the same patterns and culture of allowing targeting and monetization carry over to Facebook Dating from the rest of the Facebook platform and organization. Combined with romance scams[0], it seems possible that Facebook Dating would provide narcissists, manipulators and fraudsters with a lucrative marketplace to operate in. [0] - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51459517 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51459517

Fernicia 7y ago
This is basically a Nigerian prince fraud. What's new?

londons_explore 7y ago

> Same as putting them on a billboard. I don't really understand why services like these don't drop the pretense of keeping your private data private, and instead simply say "anything you write on our website will be published online publicly". While there might be some user backlash, I don't think it would be that big, and would meet all the laws and regulations.

g_p 7y ago
Interestingly, this might not necessarily comply with GDPR Article 25 (2): > The controller shall implement appropriate technical and organisational measures for ensuring that, by default, only personal data which are necessary for each specific purpose of the processing are processed. That obligation applies to the amount of personal data collected, the extent of their processing, the period of their storage and their accessibility. In particular, such measures shall ensure that by default personal data are not made accessible without the individual’s intervention to an indefinite number of natural persons. The intent appears to be to prevent a scenario where personal data is "shared publicly" by default. Given the broad definition of "personal data" and the underlying principle of "privacy by default", it seems likely to me that a "default-to-public" sharing system would be non-compliant.

heartbeats 7y ago

To be fair, it's somewhat more justified for dating. Doing creepy psychological profiling to sell me ads for a few extra shekels? Very dodgy. Doing creepy psychological profiling to find matches with traits neither party would otherwise voluntarily disclose on a public profile? I mean, yeah, sure. It's not the case that people are concerned over Facebook having their innermost desires stored on some server somewhere, although they like to pretend so. The issue is more along the lines of whether natural persons they interact with IRL see them - this is why people are OK with using Tinder and Facebook messenger, but not with having private conversations over Twitter. Of course, they'll use the profiling for both. But the end user arguably extracts more of the value than they do from getting sold more relevant ads.

chrisseaton 7y ago
> Doing creepy psychological profiling to sell me ads for a few extra shekels? Is this antisemetic? Why did you say shekels rather than dollars?
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- Konnstann 7y ago
  shekels is more fun to say than dollars, that's why I use it. Currency is interchangeable, so why not?
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    > so why not? Because there's a slur going back millennia against the Jewish people persecuting them as conspiring money-grabbers, and Zuckerberg has Jewish heritage and you were accusing him of being a conspiring money-grabber.
    - dmitriid 7y ago
      I'm of Jewish heritage, I chuckled at the joke. Please stop being offended on behalf of other nations and races.

blaser-waffle 7y ago

Isn't Tinder already linked to a Facebook account? You think those aren't exchanging data somehow?