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They have more to fear from China. China does not respect the sovereignty of other nations, nor the rule of law. They are not above intimidating, blackmailing,

They have more to fear from China. China does not respect the sovereignty of other nations, nor the rule of law. They are not above intimidating, blackmailing, or otherwise exerting their influence on foreign nationals on foreign soil when their views become too politically inconvenient. Those residing and holding citizenship abroad but that have family back in China (which are many) have proven especially vulnenable. Stories of China arresting foreign citizens for activities abroad and never allowing consular access, funding and manipulating groups in foreign countries (especially on university campuses) and then directing them to silence others, and more are a dime a dozen. While the US's hands are quite dirty here as well, China has shown repeatedly that given the opportunity they are more than willing to try and implement the kind of oppression and thought policing they have at home in places abroad. It is more dangerous for the entire world to have China spying on them than it is the US.

manicdee 7y ago
This is the same USA which performs extraordinary renditions (ie: kidnapping a citizen of a foreign nation from within that nation’s borders), political assassinations, and abandoning erstwhile allies because their new friends with oil don’t like the old friends? How is China worse than the USA? Your claim seems to rest entirely on greater reporting of China’s aggressions by the US and their allies.
- wolco 7y ago
  His claim rests on the reported facts by the US and allies? There are independant agencies outlining so much worse.. like the harvesting of organs on political prisioners. Do you think the US is harvesting organs?
  - Lutger 7y ago
    Probably not, but the US has started more than a few wars which has led to insane amounts of suffering and dragged it's allies into it as well. This, as a European, I fear more than China's foreign policies. However I am truly afraid of the way Xi has enacted its horror policies in China.
    - totalZero 7y ago
      Russia borders Finland, and your air force flies 60+ F/A-18s. I believe that US military power is among the most significant bulwarks of peace and prosperity in your country.
  - manicdee 7y ago
    That is whataboutism. The US routinely massacres innocents in foreign countries then retroactively declares all the victims “terrorists”. China — to my knowledge — doesn’t engage in anywhere near the level of military aggression that the USA does. When you compare the number of organ harvest victims to the number of “terrorists” slaughtered by incorrectly targeted missiles, who comes out ahead in the ethics game? Do you think killing people for the sake of imaginary goals is better or worse than killing people to harvest organs?
- nucleardog 7y ago
  > While the US's hands are quite dirty here as well, Acknowledged this already. The policies the US is trying to enforce with these measures are less bad for most of the Western world than those that China is. That's it. While the US has taken quite a slide on freedoms over the past couple decades, they're still nowhere near China's level and I find it pretty laughable to even try and put them on the same playing field in that regard.

manicdee 7y ago

This is the same USA which performs extraordinary renditions (ie: kidnapping a citizen of a foreign nation from within that nation’s borders), political assassinations, and abandoning erstwhile allies because their new friends with oil don’t like the old friends? How is China worse than the USA? Your claim seems to rest entirely on greater reporting of China’s aggressions by the US and their allies.

wolco 7y ago
His claim rests on the reported facts by the US and allies? There are independant agencies outlining so much worse.. like the harvesting of organs on political prisioners. Do you think the US is harvesting organs?
- Lutger 7y ago
  Probably not, but the US has started more than a few wars which has led to insane amounts of suffering and dragged it's allies into it as well. This, as a European, I fear more than China's foreign policies. However I am truly afraid of the way Xi has enacted its horror policies in China.
  - totalZero 7y ago
    Russia borders Finland, and your air force flies 60+ F/A-18s. I believe that US military power is among the most significant bulwarks of peace and prosperity in your country.
- manicdee 7y ago
  That is whataboutism. The US routinely massacres innocents in foreign countries then retroactively declares all the victims “terrorists”. China — to my knowledge — doesn’t engage in anywhere near the level of military aggression that the USA does. When you compare the number of organ harvest victims to the number of “terrorists” slaughtered by incorrectly targeted missiles, who comes out ahead in the ethics game? Do you think killing people for the sake of imaginary goals is better or worse than killing people to harvest organs?
nucleardog 7y ago
> While the US's hands are quite dirty here as well, Acknowledged this already. The policies the US is trying to enforce with these measures are less bad for most of the Western world than those that China is. That's it. While the US has taken quite a slide on freedoms over the past couple decades, they're still nowhere near China's level and I find it pretty laughable to even try and put them on the same playing field in that regard.