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100% agree. Software Engineer/Architect gives plans to the software developers. Software developers actually build the thing to the specifications of the engi

100% agree. Software Engineer/Architect gives plans to the software developers. Software developers actually build the thing to the specifications of the engineer just like a construction crew. But, all of that is only true if there is an actual license to be a Software Engineer that is held in the same esteem as other engineering fields. Until then the conflation of software engineer and programmer/developer will persist because it makes sound cool.

WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
Funny thing, the PE software engineering exam was so unpopular they discontinued it... https://ncees.org/ncees-discontinuing-pe-software-engineering-exam/ https://ncees.org/ncees-discontinuing-pe-software-engineerin...
zeroonetwothree 7y ago
This is the dumbest comment in the whole thread. You can’t design software if you aren’t building. There’s just so many unforeseen problems that come up when you’re actually in the thick of it. It’s not like a house that you build 1000 times from the same plan. Every single piece of software is unique in some major way.
- mLuby 7y ago
  There are so many CRUD apps out there, they could be spec'd with such specificity that they only need a "coder" to complete the tickets. But the tech industry's combined architects/engineers and construction workers into a single developer role.
  - pwm 7y ago
    There are no such thing as a CRUD app and every app is a CRUD app.
    - mLuby 7y ago
      Reductio! Someone who can make a boxy UI, hook those boxes up to {{text templates}}, and make GET/POST/PUT/DELETE calls (to RESTful API just thinly wrapping a SQL DB) can recreate a shocking number of popular web and mobile apps. Those are CRUD apps. Non-CRUD apps have an unusual (non-boxy) UI, non-trivial backend processing/integrations, or both.
wruza 7y ago
I wish I was a software developer you’re describing. You wake up in the morning without a stress about 20 yesterday’s daily decisions, take your todays tasklist and just do what you did everyday with your well-known tools and knowledge for fifteen years in the field. That’s how most of us want it, no sarcasm or something.

WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago

Funny thing, the PE software engineering exam was so unpopular they discontinued it... https://ncees.org/ncees-discontinuing-pe-software-engineering-exam/ https://ncees.org/ncees-discontinuing-pe-software-engineerin...

zeroonetwothree 7y ago

This is the dumbest comment in the whole thread. You can’t design software if you aren’t building. There’s just so many unforeseen problems that come up when you’re actually in the thick of it. It’s not like a house that you build 1000 times from the same plan. Every single piece of software is unique in some major way.

mLuby 7y ago
There are so many CRUD apps out there, they could be spec'd with such specificity that they only need a "coder" to complete the tickets. But the tech industry's combined architects/engineers and construction workers into a single developer role.
- pwm 7y ago
  There are no such thing as a CRUD app and every app is a CRUD app.
  - mLuby 7y ago
    Reductio! Someone who can make a boxy UI, hook those boxes up to {{text templates}}, and make GET/POST/PUT/DELETE calls (to RESTful API just thinly wrapping a SQL DB) can recreate a shocking number of popular web and mobile apps. Those are CRUD apps. Non-CRUD apps have an unusual (non-boxy) UI, non-trivial backend processing/integrations, or both.

wruza 7y ago

I wish I was a software developer you’re describing. You wake up in the morning without a stress about 20 yesterday’s daily decisions, take your todays tasklist and just do what you did everyday with your well-known tools and knowledge for fifteen years in the field. That’s how most of us want it, no sarcasm or something.