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> The United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC; French: Conseil des droits de l'homme des Nations unies,[2] CDH) is a United Nations body (...) I know some p

by sgift 7y ago

> The United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC; French: Conseil des droits de l'homme des Nations unies,[2] CDH) is a United Nations body (...) I know some people dislike it, but lets stay with the facts here. It is "the UN" as much as the security council is "the UN". Both are relevant parts of it and if we choose and pick which ones we like things get very messy, very fast (even more than it is already).

starik36 7y ago
Come on dude, at least read the linked wikipedia article. Quoting: "As of 2018, Israel has been condemned in 78 resolutions by the Council since its creation in 2006—the Council has resolved more resolutions condemning Israel than the rest of the world combined". Do you seriously believe that the rest of the world combined has less human rights issues than Israel. If you don't believe that then the only logical conclusion is that the organization is biased and I will always take anything they say with a massive grain of salt.
- toyg 7y ago
  The difference is that most countries at least pretend to care about fixing issues, or deny they exist in the first place. With Israel the answer is typically a more blatant “we know and we don’t care”. This obviously attracts more condemnation, in a vicious circle, and enables people who oppose the existence of Israel on ideological grounds. I keep hoping that both sides of the Israel/Palestine issue will start boxing a bit smarter... but it never happens.
  - starik36 7y ago
    > With Israel the answer is typically a more blatant “we know and we don’t care” I disagree with that assessment. Israel gave away a ton of territory they've won in defensive wars. Sinai back to Egypt - that area alone is several times the size of Israel. South Lebanon back to Lebanon. Gaza back to Palestinians. Prior to Syrian civil war there was talk of Golan Heights going back to Syria in exchange for peace. There were multiple major attempts to make peace (like Clinton effort) where the Arabs walked away. This tells me that Israel is willing to talk and the other side - no so much.
    - toyg 7y ago
      This has nothing to do with the human rights of people living in the territories, please don’t reach for talking points.
      - starik36 7y ago
        When you mentioned vicious cycle, I assumed you referred to the never ending conflict rather than human rights. That is what I was referring to. These are not talking points. It’s my observation.

by sgift 7y ago

starik36 7y ago

Come on dude, at least read the linked wikipedia article. Quoting: "As of 2018, Israel has been condemned in 78 resolutions by the Council since its creation in 2006—the Council has resolved more resolutions condemning Israel than the rest of the world combined". Do you seriously believe that the rest of the world combined has less human rights issues than Israel. If you don't believe that then the only logical conclusion is that the organization is biased and I will always take anything they say with a massive grain of salt.

toyg 7y ago
The difference is that most countries at least pretend to care about fixing issues, or deny they exist in the first place. With Israel the answer is typically a more blatant “we know and we don’t care”. This obviously attracts more condemnation, in a vicious circle, and enables people who oppose the existence of Israel on ideological grounds. I keep hoping that both sides of the Israel/Palestine issue will start boxing a bit smarter... but it never happens.
- starik36 7y ago
  > With Israel the answer is typically a more blatant “we know and we don’t care” I disagree with that assessment. Israel gave away a ton of territory they've won in defensive wars. Sinai back to Egypt - that area alone is several times the size of Israel. South Lebanon back to Lebanon. Gaza back to Palestinians. Prior to Syrian civil war there was talk of Golan Heights going back to Syria in exchange for peace. There were multiple major attempts to make peace (like Clinton effort) where the Arabs walked away. This tells me that Israel is willing to talk and the other side - no so much.
  - toyg 7y ago
    This has nothing to do with the human rights of people living in the territories, please don’t reach for talking points.
    - starik36 7y ago
      When you mentioned vicious cycle, I assumed you referred to the never ending conflict rather than human rights. That is what I was referring to. These are not talking points. It’s my observation.