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I would have never bought an Essential phone because of the sexual harassment allegations that Google internally found credible. It’s just not the character I c

by dannyw 7y ago

I would have never bought an Essential phone because of the sexual harassment allegations that Google internally found credible. It’s just not the character I can support. Andy Rubin has never acknowledged his behaviour was wrong. He’s never apologised, and maintains it is a “smear campaign”.

rednerrus 7y ago
Do you use an Android phone?
- dannyw 7y ago
  I don’t, but there’s also a big difference between using a product that someone formerly led (and was asked to resign after it was bought to light), and another where the person is the CEO. Andy Rubin has continued to deny all the allegations that Google HR internally confirmed , and WSJ reports Larry Page directly asked Andy to resign. That’s pretty damning to me, and the lack of apology or even admission throughout the years is not a good reflection on his character.
  - sub7 7y ago
    Do you use a Mac? Steve Jobs fathered a child and went to court to keep his partner and kid poor while he drove Aston Martins. I'd bet almost everything you use has an asshole behind it somewhere, you would need to live in a cave with this mindset.
oauea 7y ago
Were you afraid your phone was going to sexually harass you?
- reading-at-work 7y ago
  I wish I had enough karma to downvote this. Snide comments like that are not helpful to productive discussion. Save it for other sites.
swalsh 7y ago
I'm frustrated by this logic. On one level, you're punishing an entire company because of the actions from one guy. Wouldn't it suck if your CEO committed some offense, and you personally had to pay for it by losing your job? Second, I simply do not feel it is my place as a consumer to punish a person for his behavior. The legal system is in place to deal with this, and that should be more than sufficient, and it's important that is the system used to deal with the issue, because everyone has rights. The legal system is designed to allow both parties to exercise their rights. Cowboy boycotts by consumers are emotionally driven mobs. That's not justice. Finally, we as a society used to believe in second chances. Once someone commits an offense, usually they pay some price (maybe losing a job, going to jail, paying a fine etc) and then we give them a chance to participate in our society again. They don't always get all their previous privledges back. If you commit a felony, you won't be able to own a firearm for example. But you do get a another chance to be productive.
- tempsy 7y ago
  I hope you're kidding but don't think you are. This guy doesn't need a second chance - he has hundreds of million of dollars. Anyone working at this company is smart enough to get a job anywhere else with relative ease. I'm hardly worried about highly skilled people "losing their job" - at this point the ones that choose to stay are doing so for some reason, not because they just need any random job.
  - swalsh 7y ago
    What about a secretary at the company? Is it fair if (s)he loses their job? But what is it about being highly skilled which makes it okay that they should have to uproot their lives? Just because I might not fall down does not imply that I would enjoy being kicked. I just don't feel like you're being morally consistent here. Sure I get having empathy for the guys victim(s) (i have no idea what the details of the situation here are). But there's two sides to the coin that are worth considering.
    - smacktoward 7y ago
ocdtrekkie 7y ago
Indeed. Giving Essential money is giving Andy Rubin money. I could never give Andy Rubin money with a clear conscience.

by dannyw 7y ago

rednerrus 7y ago

Do you use an Android phone?

dannyw 7y ago
I don’t, but there’s also a big difference between using a product that someone formerly led (and was asked to resign after it was bought to light), and another where the person is the CEO. Andy Rubin has continued to deny all the allegations that Google HR internally confirmed , and WSJ reports Larry Page directly asked Andy to resign. That’s pretty damning to me, and the lack of apology or even admission throughout the years is not a good reflection on his character.
- sub7 7y ago
  Do you use a Mac? Steve Jobs fathered a child and went to court to keep his partner and kid poor while he drove Aston Martins. I'd bet almost everything you use has an asshole behind it somewhere, you would need to live in a cave with this mindset.

oauea 7y ago

Were you afraid your phone was going to sexually harass you?

reading-at-work 7y ago
I wish I had enough karma to downvote this. Snide comments like that are not helpful to productive discussion. Save it for other sites.

swalsh 7y ago

I'm frustrated by this logic. On one level, you're punishing an entire company because of the actions from one guy. Wouldn't it suck if your CEO committed some offense, and you personally had to pay for it by losing your job? Second, I simply do not feel it is my place as a consumer to punish a person for his behavior. The legal system is in place to deal with this, and that should be more than sufficient, and it's important that is the system used to deal with the issue, because everyone has rights. The legal system is designed to allow both parties to exercise their rights. Cowboy boycotts by consumers are emotionally driven mobs. That's not justice. Finally, we as a society used to believe in second chances. Once someone commits an offense, usually they pay some price (maybe losing a job, going to jail, paying a fine etc) and then we give them a chance to participate in our society again. They don't always get all their previous privledges back. If you commit a felony, you won't be able to own a firearm for example. But you do get a another chance to be productive.

tempsy 7y ago
I hope you're kidding but don't think you are. This guy doesn't need a second chance - he has hundreds of million of dollars. Anyone working at this company is smart enough to get a job anywhere else with relative ease. I'm hardly worried about highly skilled people "losing their job" - at this point the ones that choose to stay are doing so for some reason, not because they just need any random job.
- swalsh 7y ago
  What about a secretary at the company? Is it fair if (s)he loses their job? But what is it about being highly skilled which makes it okay that they should have to uproot their lives? Just because I might not fall down does not imply that I would enjoy being kicked. I just don't feel like you're being morally consistent here. Sure I get having empathy for the guys victim(s) (i have no idea what the details of the situation here are). But there's two sides to the coin that are worth considering.
  - smacktoward 7y ago

ocdtrekkie 7y ago

Indeed. Giving Essential money is giving Andy Rubin money. I could never give Andy Rubin money with a clear conscience.