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Blackberry was really good at email, and didn't need to be reset as often as Windows Mobile back in the day. I do remember the Blackberry taking a full two min

Blackberry was really good at email, and didn't need to be reset as often as Windows Mobile back in the day. I do remember the Blackberry taking a full two minutes to start up from a cold power-off condition. Once other phones started handling email just as well and became as reliable, Blackberry didn't have a reason to exist other than for those that wanted a basic email phone with a keyboard. The Blackberry phones I remember in the pre-2010 era were not as good for media as other phones. Of course the whole landscape changed once iPhone gained traction and Android entered the scene, I'm sure the newer Blackberrys were a bit better but by that time everyone seemed to be getting Android or iPhones. I recall Blackberry needing special phone plans as well, not sure if that still exists anymore.

dspillett 7y ago
> Blackberry was really good at email IIRC secure email was their USP to corporates. > and didn't need to be reset as often as Windows Mobile ... I do remember the Blackberry taking a full two minutes to start up from a cold That was true of Windows phones too, even the highish-end device I had for a fair while. > Once other phones started handling email just as well It wasn't that other devices did basic email less well, it was that they didn't make the same security claims. Once those security claims were in doubt (rightly or wrongly) other devices looked a lot less different in that regard so other factors became key to sales and the BB proposition was not as competitive in those areas. Once the "all the corporates use BB, so all the corporates use BB" bubble had broken, BB never recovered the mindshare they once had.
frosted-flakes 7y ago
The special BIS phone plans haven't been required since BBOS7 phones. BB10 phones were released in 2013, and then Android a couple of years later.
- goatinaboat 7y ago
  BIS included various things like image compressing proxy server and so on that became less necessary as 3G improved.

dspillett 7y ago

> Blackberry was really good at email IIRC secure email was their USP to corporates. > and didn't need to be reset as often as Windows Mobile ... I do remember the Blackberry taking a full two minutes to start up from a cold That was true of Windows phones too, even the highish-end device I had for a fair while. > Once other phones started handling email just as well It wasn't that other devices did basic email less well, it was that they didn't make the same security claims. Once those security claims were in doubt (rightly or wrongly) other devices looked a lot less different in that regard so other factors became key to sales and the BB proposition was not as competitive in those areas. Once the "all the corporates use BB, so all the corporates use BB" bubble had broken, BB never recovered the mindshare they once had.

frosted-flakes 7y ago

The special BIS phone plans haven't been required since BBOS7 phones. BB10 phones were released in 2013, and then Android a couple of years later.

goatinaboat 7y ago
BIS included various things like image compressing proxy server and so on that became less necessary as 3G improved.