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"They're stealing our jaerbs!" I ran the numbers, assuming a work force of waves hands 150 million, a 4 million turnover represents 2.666% So if we apply that

"They're stealing our jaerbs!" I ran the numbers, assuming a work force of waves hands 150 million, a 4 million turnover represents 2.666% So if we apply that annually, the chance that you will keep your job each year is only 72.3% (NB: if you're going to tell me my math is wrong (a) don't bother and (b) you need to take into account that some people will lose more than one job in a year) That might not seem too bad, but take a two year time span, and it looks more like only 52.3% of having continuous employment with a single employer. However, even leaving aside the issue of calculating the size of the job seekers market (e.g. some people will have given up and not even register anymore), it doesn't take into account people leaving the job market due to retirement, people leaving the job market for other miscellaneous reasons (births, deaths, moving overseas) and people entering the job market for the first time or re-entering. It just seems like a gross over-simplification to take only these two numbers in isolation, without even providing context.

JoeAltmaier 16y ago
And from the personal point of view, really, its how long you are without a job that counts. If you bridge, ok. If you lose your house and card, disaster. Matters more than what jobs exist and where.
- Stormbringer 16y ago
  "The death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic" I was talking to a bloke today, nice guy, very capable. But he's out of work and his licence was suspended for excessive speeding. He says it is simply not worthwhile looking for work at the moment because without transport it is just too impractical. Now, the Libertarian in me wants to say that the sequence of bad events that happened to him is simply the result of the consequences of his bad choices. Perhaps I would feel differently if he and his partner were in a truly desperate situation (they're not starving, they're not going to lose their home). Perhaps I'm less sympathetic because of his obvious bad choices that led him to this. But what if the things that led him to this point weren't (or weren't so obviously) his fault? Bad things happen to good people too. The rain falls on the righteous and the wicked alike. Of my circle of acquaintances, I think every single one of the blokes has been unemployed at some time in the last year except for this one guy who somehow hangs on despite having a really terrible boss. On the other hand, of the working women that I know, none of them have been unemployed in that same time span (some have taken maternity leave and then come back to work at reduced hours). This gives me pause. Because in the workplace, especially large corporations, I always see the women being given the shitty demeaning jobs. Go post some letters for me, go get the birthday cake etc. It is never a bloke that gets sent to buy the birthday cake. Oh, no, wait, there is one girl who keeps losing her job, but she is a mentally handicapped. Anyway, the moral of the story is; unless you're willing to tug forelock and suck up to the man start your own business (doesn't mean you are immune to being fired, but generally if you do a good job the golden parachute is a better option than the leather boot on the neck).

JoeAltmaier 16y ago

And from the personal point of view, really, its how long you are without a job that counts. If you bridge, ok. If you lose your house and card, disaster. Matters more than what jobs exist and where.

Stormbringer 16y ago
"The death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic" I was talking to a bloke today, nice guy, very capable. But he's out of work and his licence was suspended for excessive speeding. He says it is simply not worthwhile looking for work at the moment because without transport it is just too impractical. Now, the Libertarian in me wants to say that the sequence of bad events that happened to him is simply the result of the consequences of his bad choices. Perhaps I would feel differently if he and his partner were in a truly desperate situation (they're not starving, they're not going to lose their home). Perhaps I'm less sympathetic because of his obvious bad choices that led him to this. But what if the things that led him to this point weren't (or weren't so obviously) his fault? Bad things happen to good people too. The rain falls on the righteous and the wicked alike. Of my circle of acquaintances, I think every single one of the blokes has been unemployed at some time in the last year except for this one guy who somehow hangs on despite having a really terrible boss. On the other hand, of the working women that I know, none of them have been unemployed in that same time span (some have taken maternity leave and then come back to work at reduced hours). This gives me pause. Because in the workplace, especially large corporations, I always see the women being given the shitty demeaning jobs. Go post some letters for me, go get the birthday cake etc. It is never a bloke that gets sent to buy the birthday cake. Oh, no, wait, there is one girl who keeps losing her job, but she is a mentally handicapped. Anyway, the moral of the story is; unless you're willing to tug forelock and suck up to the man start your own business (doesn't mean you are immune to being fired, but generally if you do a good job the golden parachute is a better option than the leather boot on the neck).