As a fellow xfce user, it's hard to get convinced by other alternatives because why they may have more polished on some things, the things they do worse will be

As a fellow xfce user, it's hard to get convinced by other alternatives because why they may have more polished on some things, the things they do worse will be really worse. You only need to fight one or two time with your wifi or Taskbar after an update to realize you just don't want to waste your time doing that. With that said, for the part that work well Mate definitely feels like a cleaner nicer xfce.