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This is an oversimplification of Tesla’s technology, and they don’t use Tensorflow, other people’s pre-trained models, and computer vision isn’t the only thing

This is an oversimplification of Tesla’s technology, and they don’t use Tensorflow, other people’s pre-trained models, and computer vision isn’t the only thing that is a part of driving, they use radar and ultrasonics as well. I try new technologies all the time to get a sense of where it is in coming to fruition. I think what you mean is, you’re more skeptical of claims. The same way you claim you can’t learn anything about NY in your bathroom, you don’t know anything about Tesla or Self-driving if you haven’t tried it. You should at least test drive it under controlled conditions where you feel comfortable before closing yourself off completely.

maxaf 7y ago
> You should at least test drive it under controlled conditions [...] Who cares what the car does under controlled conditions? I'm sure the manufacturer did exactly that in their testing. Even when they test on public roads, there's a hands-off safety driver behind the wheel, who is paid to be on the lookout and sufficiently alert to take over in case of an unexpected excursion. (Unless the self-driving car under test is from Uber, in which case the safety driver simply watches video on their phone. Too soon?) This is nowhere near how these cars are used in the real world. The real world is not a set of "controlled conditions", so any comfort one builds up in such a situation is merely a false sense of security. > [...] where you feel comfortable before closing yourself off completely. So, here's the thing: I'm comfortable driving myself. I don't get distracted, I use good judgment, I consistently prioritize the safety of my vehicle's occupants over everything else. I know exactly how flawed self-driving cars are, and how far behind the curve of my driving skill they will remain within my lifespan. That's the sum total of everything I need to know, and no amount of "controlled conditions" demos will change my mind. P.S.: If you're from the future and you're reading this because I got mowed down by a self-driving car: ha ha! Joke's on me.
- johnjungles 7y ago
  My comment about controlled conditions was about making you feel comfortable and give yourself a safe to try it out to get an understanding of when it. It wasn’t to say to believe in self driving, I agree it’s a long way out. Understanding the technology is more important than dismissing it altogether is what I was simply trying to point out. I think you can at the least try it, understand it, then have an opinion about it.. (which I respect). There seems to be a lot of negative comments from people who have never sat in a Tesla or have gone through a test drive.
  - brokenmachine 7y ago
    I'm not OP, but even if a test drive went perfectly, I would remain worried about the chance of the car randomly killing me for some stupid edge case reason. Maybe not today, not tommorrow, but maybe six months in the future when the weather and road conditions happen to be just precisely right to confuse the system at just the most dangerous time. In the meantime I will just read/watch the stories of people more trusting than me about how well the technology works, and currently those stories don't fill me with confidence. IMO, this is currently dangerous technology that should not be allowed on the road at all. Common-sense tells me that these half-self-driving systems are dangerous. I would like to see a study that tested the reaction times of a person who sits doing nothing for a hour and then is suddenly expected to take evasive maneuvers, versus a sober - or even a drunk - driver who is actually driving the car continuously.
    - johnjungles 7y ago
      Again, going back to: see if for yourself. Experience it. Then have an opinion, otherwise it’s like reading about NYC and saying you hate it because you read the reviews.
      - brokenmachine 7y ago
        I've seen the news reports and discussion about the catastrophic failures, and that's enough for me. Of course I can have an opinion without going for a ride in one, and that opinion is that I don't trust it and I won't "experience it".
neotek 7y ago
I've driven a Model 3 over the course of a few days, maybe a handful of hours in total, and based on that experience I absolutely do not feel comfortable using Auto Pilot and would not buy a Tesla at the moment. It's far more janky and susceptible to confusion than Tesla makes it out to be in its marketing, and the reality is that people simply do not pay as much attention as they are required to when using it because Tesla has convinced them it's magic that's safer than anything else on the road.
- johnjungles 7y ago
  Thank you for having actually tried it then having a real opinion about it. I have a Tesla, I usually use autopilot for highway traffic only, summon it like a valet to where I am in my parking lot, and not have to idle in hot and cold weather. I agree, I wouldn’t use it for local roads and unclear highways, but isn’t this what they tell you? I don’t think they ever tell you that it’s full self driving right now. Also, I’ve experienced it being janky but over time it’s improved dramatically.
  - joncrane 7y ago
    >not have to idle in hot and cold weather. As a car and efficiency enthusiast, I totally try to keep my gasoline powered car from idling unnecessarily. But what does "idling" mean in the context of a 100% electric car?
    - johnjungles 7y ago
      You can have the car on with AC and/or Heaters without the engine on because there is no engine. In fact they have camper mode where you can camp out in the vehicle overnight with the ac on, and huge batteries allow you to do this without worries.
  - brokenmachine 7y ago
    >summon it like a valet to where I am in my parking lot It can drive by itself from where it's parked to where you are?

maxaf 7y ago

> You should at least test drive it under controlled conditions [...] Who cares what the car does under controlled conditions? I'm sure the manufacturer did exactly that in their testing. Even when they test on public roads, there's a hands-off safety driver behind the wheel, who is paid to be on the lookout and sufficiently alert to take over in case of an unexpected excursion. (Unless the self-driving car under test is from Uber, in which case the safety driver simply watches video on their phone. Too soon?) This is nowhere near how these cars are used in the real world. The real world is not a set of "controlled conditions", so any comfort one builds up in such a situation is merely a false sense of security. > [...] where you feel comfortable before closing yourself off completely. So, here's the thing: I'm comfortable driving myself. I don't get distracted, I use good judgment, I consistently prioritize the safety of my vehicle's occupants over everything else. I know exactly how flawed self-driving cars are, and how far behind the curve of my driving skill they will remain within my lifespan. That's the sum total of everything I need to know, and no amount of "controlled conditions" demos will change my mind. P.S.: If you're from the future and you're reading this because I got mowed down by a self-driving car: ha ha! Joke's on me.

johnjungles 7y ago
My comment about controlled conditions was about making you feel comfortable and give yourself a safe to try it out to get an understanding of when it. It wasn’t to say to believe in self driving, I agree it’s a long way out. Understanding the technology is more important than dismissing it altogether is what I was simply trying to point out. I think you can at the least try it, understand it, then have an opinion about it.. (which I respect). There seems to be a lot of negative comments from people who have never sat in a Tesla or have gone through a test drive.
- brokenmachine 7y ago
  I'm not OP, but even if a test drive went perfectly, I would remain worried about the chance of the car randomly killing me for some stupid edge case reason. Maybe not today, not tommorrow, but maybe six months in the future when the weather and road conditions happen to be just precisely right to confuse the system at just the most dangerous time. In the meantime I will just read/watch the stories of people more trusting than me about how well the technology works, and currently those stories don't fill me with confidence. IMO, this is currently dangerous technology that should not be allowed on the road at all. Common-sense tells me that these half-self-driving systems are dangerous. I would like to see a study that tested the reaction times of a person who sits doing nothing for a hour and then is suddenly expected to take evasive maneuvers, versus a sober - or even a drunk - driver who is actually driving the car continuously.
  - johnjungles 7y ago
    Again, going back to: see if for yourself. Experience it. Then have an opinion, otherwise it’s like reading about NYC and saying you hate it because you read the reviews.
    - brokenmachine 7y ago
      I've seen the news reports and discussion about the catastrophic failures, and that's enough for me. Of course I can have an opinion without going for a ride in one, and that opinion is that I don't trust it and I won't "experience it".

neotek 7y ago

I've driven a Model 3 over the course of a few days, maybe a handful of hours in total, and based on that experience I absolutely do not feel comfortable using Auto Pilot and would not buy a Tesla at the moment. It's far more janky and susceptible to confusion than Tesla makes it out to be in its marketing, and the reality is that people simply do not pay as much attention as they are required to when using it because Tesla has convinced them it's magic that's safer than anything else on the road.

johnjungles 7y ago
Thank you for having actually tried it then having a real opinion about it. I have a Tesla, I usually use autopilot for highway traffic only, summon it like a valet to where I am in my parking lot, and not have to idle in hot and cold weather. I agree, I wouldn’t use it for local roads and unclear highways, but isn’t this what they tell you? I don’t think they ever tell you that it’s full self driving right now. Also, I’ve experienced it being janky but over time it’s improved dramatically.
- joncrane 7y ago
  >not have to idle in hot and cold weather. As a car and efficiency enthusiast, I totally try to keep my gasoline powered car from idling unnecessarily. But what does "idling" mean in the context of a 100% electric car?
  - johnjungles 7y ago
    You can have the car on with AC and/or Heaters without the engine on because there is no engine. In fact they have camper mode where you can camp out in the vehicle overnight with the ac on, and huge batteries allow you to do this without worries.
- brokenmachine 7y ago
  >summon it like a valet to where I am in my parking lot It can drive by itself from where it's parked to where you are?