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Amazing how conversations swing from one side of extreme to another in just two comments. What's next, are you going to suggest basilar skull fractures are som

Amazing how conversations swing from one side of extreme to another in just two comments. What's next, are you going to suggest basilar skull fractures are somewhat linked to emotional stress? The responses you'd get would likely be due to PTSD induced by interacting with the very rational and scientifically-minded profit-maximizing medical industry, and/or incompetent physicians unable to provide an effective relief for the underlying condition. Try out this some time: try to reduce stigma around various disorders instead of suggesting running nonconsensual unethical experiments, bordering on sociopathy, on those suffering from difficult to treat disorders.

tomhoward 7y ago
> What's next, are you going to suggest basilar skull fractures are somewhat linked to emotional stress? If you want to discuss this topic in good faith you should edit your comment to remove this appeal to ridicule. I don't know what you think I'm advocating that motivates the bilious accusations in the rest of your comment. From what I can tell: - We seem to agree that people suffering chronic, difficult-to-treat illnesses have it extremely tough, and it would be ideal if they didn't (I know this from personal experience) - We also seem to agree that the profit motive creates perverse incentives in medical research and treatment. Outside of that, your comment seems to be just another example of the very phenomenon I was pointing out. To be clear: I've experienced difficult-to-treat illness that seems to be autoimmune-related for much of my life. I'm now almost completely well, having undertaken a variety of treatments including deep emotional/trauma healing work over the past 8+ years. There is no mainstream physician, of any supposed level of competence, who would have recommended the approach that has enabled me to achieve the level of health I've now reached. There are notable exceptions – Gabor Maté and Bruce Lipton being the most prominent – yet neither are taken seriously by the scientific/medical mainstream, despite both having advanced mainstream medical credentials.
- tudorw 7y ago
  Glad to hear that your health is improving. I have my own set of experiences that lead me to support your argument, the medical community seems to suffer from a lot of defensive or downright elitist behaviour when it comes to a discussion of their field with anyone outside it. It seems like a very 'siloed' industry with little cross-communication at the front line of care. The emerging field of Psychoneuroendocrinology seems like an attempt to address that by 'dealing with the interrelated disciplines of psychology, neurobiology, endocrinology, immunology, neurology, and psychiatry, with an emphasis on multidisciplinary studies aiming at integrating these disciplines in terms of either basic research or clinical implications.' in their words; https://www.journals.elsevier.com/psychoneuroendocrinology https://www.journals.elsevier.com/psychoneuroendocrinology

tomhoward 7y ago

> What's next, are you going to suggest basilar skull fractures are somewhat linked to emotional stress? If you want to discuss this topic in good faith you should edit your comment to remove this appeal to ridicule. I don't know what you think I'm advocating that motivates the bilious accusations in the rest of your comment. From what I can tell: - We seem to agree that people suffering chronic, difficult-to-treat illnesses have it extremely tough, and it would be ideal if they didn't (I know this from personal experience) - We also seem to agree that the profit motive creates perverse incentives in medical research and treatment. Outside of that, your comment seems to be just another example of the very phenomenon I was pointing out. To be clear: I've experienced difficult-to-treat illness that seems to be autoimmune-related for much of my life. I'm now almost completely well, having undertaken a variety of treatments including deep emotional/trauma healing work over the past 8+ years. There is no mainstream physician, of any supposed level of competence, who would have recommended the approach that has enabled me to achieve the level of health I've now reached. There are notable exceptions – Gabor Maté and Bruce Lipton being the most prominent – yet neither are taken seriously by the scientific/medical mainstream, despite both having advanced mainstream medical credentials.

tudorw 7y ago
Glad to hear that your health is improving. I have my own set of experiences that lead me to support your argument, the medical community seems to suffer from a lot of defensive or downright elitist behaviour when it comes to a discussion of their field with anyone outside it. It seems like a very 'siloed' industry with little cross-communication at the front line of care. The emerging field of Psychoneuroendocrinology seems like an attempt to address that by 'dealing with the interrelated disciplines of psychology, neurobiology, endocrinology, immunology, neurology, and psychiatry, with an emphasis on multidisciplinary studies aiming at integrating these disciplines in terms of either basic research or clinical implications.' in their words; https://www.journals.elsevier.com/psychoneuroendocrinology https://www.journals.elsevier.com/psychoneuroendocrinology