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Every single time this is posted, I have to remind people that the video posted on Tesla's own Autopilot website [0] says this RIGHT at the beginning: "The per

Every single time this is posted, I have to remind people that the video posted on Tesla's own Autopilot website [0] says this RIGHT at the beginning: "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself" They are not saying "use with caution, autopilot is an assistance feature", they are saying "The car is driving itself". [0] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

jsight 7y ago
Every time you do, I remind you that the page also makes it clear that current systems require supervision. I have a car with Mobileeye. Mobileye recently demonstrated fsd in Jerusalem. Fortunately, like everyone else who can read, I know that system is not the same system that I have installed on my car. Tesla’s wording really isn’t that different here.
- justapassenger 7y ago
  Did the car salesman showed you video of that FSD demonstration, while they were describing driving assist features of a car you were buying?
  - jsight 7y ago
    No, but they used to run this ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTdR91G2L7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTdR91G2L7c Several interesting things are here: 1. Construction zones -- ProPilot should not be used there. It isn't realiable when lines are incorrect. 2. The wheel is moved automatically to a large degree. In the video it appears to be a larger movement than the system actually supports. 3. This commercial implies that it is actually a solution for inexperienced drivers, but it definitely is not.
paranoidrobot 7y ago
I don't know when that went up there, but that's not demonstrating autopilot - that's demonstrating Full-Self-Driving (FSD) capabilities. Less than 10 seconds in it's demonstrating functionality that Autopilot does not have - turning from one road onto another, stopping at intersections, etc.
- Jasper_ 7y ago
  Internet Archive suggests it's been up since late 2016, with the video, and only minor changes to copy since then. https://web.archive.org/web/20161213042716/https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://web.archive.org/web/20161213042716/https://www.tesla... > Less than 10 seconds in it's demonstrating functionality that Autopilot does not have It's on a page called "Autopilot", as the hero video. It's not very clear that this is functionality that Autopilot does not have, and it helps add to the confusion about what Autopilot is and what it is not, something seem keen to take advantage of. They have had 4 years to possibly push that video down the page, perhaps add a title or a disclaimer saying that this is not Autopilot, perhaps clear up the confusion. Whether it's intentionally like this, or just plain old incompetence, either way it's not a great look for Tesla.
acnebs 7y ago
> Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. You're conflating FSD with Autopilot.

jsight 7y ago

Every time you do, I remind you that the page also makes it clear that current systems require supervision. I have a car with Mobileeye. Mobileye recently demonstrated fsd in Jerusalem. Fortunately, like everyone else who can read, I know that system is not the same system that I have installed on my car. Tesla’s wording really isn’t that different here.

justapassenger 7y ago
Did the car salesman showed you video of that FSD demonstration, while they were describing driving assist features of a car you were buying?
- jsight 7y ago
  No, but they used to run this ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTdR91G2L7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTdR91G2L7c Several interesting things are here: 1. Construction zones -- ProPilot should not be used there. It isn't realiable when lines are incorrect. 2. The wheel is moved automatically to a large degree. In the video it appears to be a larger movement than the system actually supports. 3. This commercial implies that it is actually a solution for inexperienced drivers, but it definitely is not.

paranoidrobot 7y ago

I don't know when that went up there, but that's not demonstrating autopilot - that's demonstrating Full-Self-Driving (FSD) capabilities. Less than 10 seconds in it's demonstrating functionality that Autopilot does not have - turning from one road onto another, stopping at intersections, etc.

Jasper_ 7y ago
Internet Archive suggests it's been up since late 2016, with the video, and only minor changes to copy since then. https://web.archive.org/web/20161213042716/https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://web.archive.org/web/20161213042716/https://www.tesla... > Less than 10 seconds in it's demonstrating functionality that Autopilot does not have It's on a page called "Autopilot", as the hero video. It's not very clear that this is functionality that Autopilot does not have, and it helps add to the confusion about what Autopilot is and what it is not, something seem keen to take advantage of. They have had 4 years to possibly push that video down the page, perhaps add a title or a disclaimer saying that this is not Autopilot, perhaps clear up the confusion. Whether it's intentionally like this, or just plain old incompetence, either way it's not a great look for Tesla.

acnebs 7y ago

> Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. You're conflating FSD with Autopilot.