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I am fine getting rid of the NSA as soon as you can guarantee that Russia and China dismantle their equivalents. Not to mention all the other agencies in the w

by jml78 7y ago

I am fine getting rid of the NSA as soon as you can guarantee that Russia and China dismantle their equivalents. Not to mention all the other agencies in the world. Sorry but when you talk of those two in particular, the US is the obvious good guy. Regardless of the terrible shit Trump has done, we would never accept him murdering journalists or critics. That shit happens regularly in Russia and China

dsl 7y ago
> Regardless of the terrible shit Trump has done, we would never accept him murdering journalists or critics There is strong evidence that Turkish intelligence intercepted the telephone call between Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and Bin Salman green-lighting the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, and used it as leverage to force the US drawdown in Syria. Turkish state media was the source of the audio recording of the murder inside the embassy, so it is not unreasonable to believe they have sufficient espionage capabilities against the Saudis to have phone recordings as well.
- jml78 7y ago
  So you are saying the US killed Khashoggi. Of course you don't mean that. What you mean is that the US didn't intervene. Yes, I am certain the world that hates the US would have loved the US intervening in Saudi Arabia's affairs. Whether the US gov't knew Saudi was going to do it or not is different than the US gov't pulling the trigger. Can you name the Trump, Obama, or Bush vocal american citizen critics that have been killed by the government? Because it sure is easy to find the ones Putin has murdered
  - anticodon 7y ago
    Not really about critics, but murder of Epstein pretty much shows corruption of the US establishment. I'm pretty sure there more deaths like this but I don't collect this data and US is the country with most efficient propaganda and brainwashing. It's extremely effective at hiding unpleasant facts and dissemination of fake news.
- et2o 7y ago
  Source for Kushner phone call claim?
pessimizer 7y ago
It takes a lot of hubris to think that you would ever know for sure if some US three letter agency was killing journalists and critics.
- jml78 7y ago
  Ummm Trump's biggest critics aren't dropping dead left and right. That is exactly what happens to Putin's critics.
- maqp 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb#Death
russler23 7y ago
Thinking of the US as “the good guy” deters improvement. If anything, the US is “the better guy,” a more modest claim.

by jml78 7y ago

dsl 7y ago

> Regardless of the terrible shit Trump has done, we would never accept him murdering journalists or critics There is strong evidence that Turkish intelligence intercepted the telephone call between Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and Bin Salman green-lighting the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, and used it as leverage to force the US drawdown in Syria. Turkish state media was the source of the audio recording of the murder inside the embassy, so it is not unreasonable to believe they have sufficient espionage capabilities against the Saudis to have phone recordings as well.

jml78 7y ago
So you are saying the US killed Khashoggi. Of course you don't mean that. What you mean is that the US didn't intervene. Yes, I am certain the world that hates the US would have loved the US intervening in Saudi Arabia's affairs. Whether the US gov't knew Saudi was going to do it or not is different than the US gov't pulling the trigger. Can you name the Trump, Obama, or Bush vocal american citizen critics that have been killed by the government? Because it sure is easy to find the ones Putin has murdered
- anticodon 7y ago
  Not really about critics, but murder of Epstein pretty much shows corruption of the US establishment. I'm pretty sure there more deaths like this but I don't collect this data and US is the country with most efficient propaganda and brainwashing. It's extremely effective at hiding unpleasant facts and dissemination of fake news.
et2o 7y ago
Source for Kushner phone call claim?

pessimizer 7y ago

It takes a lot of hubris to think that you would ever know for sure if some US three letter agency was killing journalists and critics.

jml78 7y ago
Ummm Trump's biggest critics aren't dropping dead left and right. That is exactly what happens to Putin's critics.
maqp 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb#Death

russler23 7y ago

Thinking of the US as “the good guy” deters improvement. If anything, the US is “the better guy,” a more modest claim.