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> copyright doesn't cover facts derived from books EU database right can and does.

mehh 7y ago
Are there any instances of that actually happening, in regards to a book being treated as a database? It kinda makes sense, Guinness Book of Records, being an example.
- kragen 7y ago
  Westlaw page numbers and Lexis citations. Carl Malamud has been involved in a number of struggles in the US. Mostly since Feist things have gone in the direction of intellectual freedom in the US and intellectual privatization in the EU.
PeterisP 7y ago
Yes, EU database directive is relevant to local copyright law and can apply in certain cases (dictionaries is probably a very relevant example, and other types of books that are close to printed databases), but they do not apply in the vast majority of cases, for the 'stereotypical book'. For example, the database rights would not apply to extracting facts out of a physics textbook, and it would not apply to extracting a model of author's style from their complete works.
- tastroder 7y ago
  Contrary to your original comment there is lots of room for uncertainty, especially seen globally, in this area. While the copyright / fact extraction framing the author chose might not be the correct one in the years to come, this is certainly an area of volatility - at least here in the EU. Your comment w.r.t. "convenience of access" is pretty restricted here, no ML algorithm just boots up, grows legs, and magically walks into a public library to read books for fact finding. The process of extracting facts from books includes lots of steps that are subject to IP and other legislation over here (from crawling the content in the first place if your source is the internet, duplicating/storing the content if it is subject to copyright, ...). While I'm not trying to suggest that your ultimate conclusion might not turn out to be correct, especially in the context of US legislation, that's far from settled and I expect to see quite a few lawsuits whenever this hypothetical actually affects a major player with some market power.

mehh 7y ago

Are there any instances of that actually happening, in regards to a book being treated as a database? It kinda makes sense, Guinness Book of Records, being an example.

kragen 7y ago
Westlaw page numbers and Lexis citations. Carl Malamud has been involved in a number of struggles in the US. Mostly since Feist things have gone in the direction of intellectual freedom in the US and intellectual privatization in the EU.

PeterisP 7y ago

Yes, EU database directive is relevant to local copyright law and can apply in certain cases (dictionaries is probably a very relevant example, and other types of books that are close to printed databases), but they do not apply in the vast majority of cases, for the 'stereotypical book'. For example, the database rights would not apply to extracting facts out of a physics textbook, and it would not apply to extracting a model of author's style from their complete works.

tastroder 7y ago
Contrary to your original comment there is lots of room for uncertainty, especially seen globally, in this area. While the copyright / fact extraction framing the author chose might not be the correct one in the years to come, this is certainly an area of volatility - at least here in the EU. Your comment w.r.t. "convenience of access" is pretty restricted here, no ML algorithm just boots up, grows legs, and magically walks into a public library to read books for fact finding. The process of extracting facts from books includes lots of steps that are subject to IP and other legislation over here (from crawling the content in the first place if your source is the internet, duplicating/storing the content if it is subject to copyright, ...). While I'm not trying to suggest that your ultimate conclusion might not turn out to be correct, especially in the context of US legislation, that's far from settled and I expect to see quite a few lawsuits whenever this hypothetical actually affects a major player with some market power.