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Really grateful that Mate exists. To this day, gnome3 has not reached parity with gnome2 on flexibility of configuration. I don't even make a lot of customizati

Really grateful that Mate exists. To this day, gnome3 has not reached parity with gnome2 on flexibility of configuration. I don't even make a lot of customizations to my desktop, but having the option when I need it is really key.

jahlove 7y ago
Agreed with everything said here. The crazy thing is, Gnome3 was released over 10 years ago!
- ianai 7y ago
  Yep. It’s like they decided to copy the worst of windows 8.
  - Lammy 7y ago
    It predates Windows 8. More like copy the worst of the iPad imo.
    - PlutoIsAPlanet 7y ago
      I think it actually copies a lot more of WebOS than the iPad
pizza234 7y ago
GNOME doesn't reach parity on configurability because... it's by design. There is an extensive post on the subject: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotti.... It's tragicomic to read ("And I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry.") I'd say that the GNOME devs have Jobs' ego and intention, but none of his talent(s). But at least they have branding™! /s
- Lammy 7y ago
  It doesn't happen very often any more, but when people always used to ask why I didn't like GNOME 3 I'd just point them to the devs' own words on the mailing list: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-June/msg00110.html https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-June/m...
  - pizza234 7y ago
    From that thread: > Can we declare that GNOME Shell doesn't have themes, and prevent people from posting screenshots of GNOME Shell with a modified theme or with a modified top panel? o_O
    - axaxs 7y ago
      Maybe if Gnome's default theme didn't make window title bars half the size of the screen, people wouldn't be so eager to theme. Seriously, I have a huge, hi res monitor and the default theme makes it feel like some child or elderly specific thing. Nobody uses Gnome on a tablet, give it up!
  - badsectoracula 7y ago
    Here is a more recent effort in the same vein by some GNOME developers (and developers for GNOME): https://stopthemingmy.app/ https://stopthemingmy.app/
    - pizza234 7y ago
      This subject is endlessly amusing (and sad at the same time). The first app icon they present belongs to an app, Transmission, whom a GNOME developer had an argument with, because he suggested to the app developer to remove the status icon from the program (!!): > Transmission has an option in the Desktop tab of the preferences to “Show Transmission icon in the notification area”. This should probably be removed.
- prox 7y ago
  Good grief. What a bunch of territorial behavior! I really don’t understand where their arguments are coming from either.
morsch 7y ago
Just to pipe in in this chorus of rather negative takes: I'm super happy with Gnome 3. Ymmv!
- eropple 7y ago
  It's hard for me to be "super happy" with a DE. But GNOME 3 does mean that I don't notice it all that often, and that's pretty good. It's predictable, it doesn't look ugly, and applications act about as predictably as they ever have in the Linux universe. I grew out of theming and tweaking the look of a desktop before I got to high school. These days the only tweaking I do on any OS is keyboard shortcuts. The baseline has gotten good enough to just not care, and my guess is that that's most users' position regardless of OS.
  - rolandog 7y ago
    Agreed, my only pet-peeve has been the default behavior of attaching modal dialogues to the parent window (thus preventing dragging capability, without resizing the text). This can be fixed with gnome-tweaks.

jahlove 7y ago

Agreed with everything said here. The crazy thing is, Gnome3 was released over 10 years ago!

ianai 7y ago
Yep. It’s like they decided to copy the worst of windows 8.
- Lammy 7y ago
  It predates Windows 8. More like copy the worst of the iPad imo.
  - PlutoIsAPlanet 7y ago
    I think it actually copies a lot more of WebOS than the iPad

pizza234 7y ago

GNOME doesn't reach parity on configurability because... it's by design. There is an extensive post on the subject: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotti.... It's tragicomic to read ("And I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry.") I'd say that the GNOME devs have Jobs' ego and intention, but none of his talent(s). But at least they have branding™! /s

Lammy 7y ago
It doesn't happen very often any more, but when people always used to ask why I didn't like GNOME 3 I'd just point them to the devs' own words on the mailing list: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-June/msg00110.html https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2011-June/m...
- pizza234 7y ago
  From that thread: > Can we declare that GNOME Shell doesn't have themes, and prevent people from posting screenshots of GNOME Shell with a modified theme or with a modified top panel? o_O
  - axaxs 7y ago
    Maybe if Gnome's default theme didn't make window title bars half the size of the screen, people wouldn't be so eager to theme. Seriously, I have a huge, hi res monitor and the default theme makes it feel like some child or elderly specific thing. Nobody uses Gnome on a tablet, give it up!
- badsectoracula 7y ago
  Here is a more recent effort in the same vein by some GNOME developers (and developers for GNOME): https://stopthemingmy.app/ https://stopthemingmy.app/
  - pizza234 7y ago
    This subject is endlessly amusing (and sad at the same time). The first app icon they present belongs to an app, Transmission, whom a GNOME developer had an argument with, because he suggested to the app developer to remove the status icon from the program (!!): > Transmission has an option in the Desktop tab of the preferences to “Show Transmission icon in the notification area”. This should probably be removed.
prox 7y ago
Good grief. What a bunch of territorial behavior! I really don’t understand where their arguments are coming from either.

morsch 7y ago

Just to pipe in in this chorus of rather negative takes: I'm super happy with Gnome 3. Ymmv!

eropple 7y ago
It's hard for me to be "super happy" with a DE. But GNOME 3 does mean that I don't notice it all that often, and that's pretty good. It's predictable, it doesn't look ugly, and applications act about as predictably as they ever have in the Linux universe. I grew out of theming and tweaking the look of a desktop before I got to high school. These days the only tweaking I do on any OS is keyboard shortcuts. The baseline has gotten good enough to just not care, and my guess is that that's most users' position regardless of OS.
- rolandog 7y ago
  Agreed, my only pet-peeve has been the default behavior of attaching modal dialogues to the parent window (thus preventing dragging capability, without resizing the text). This can be fixed with gnome-tweaks.