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China therefore is not ready to be a global leader on anything.

shaneprrlt 7y ago
That wasn't obvious by virtue of being a communist nation that censors free speech? Edit: LOL at anyone that downvotes a post criticizing actual communism in 2020.
jmcqk6 7y ago
I have no idea what you're trying to say. There isn't some criteria you have to meet in order to be a "global leader" beyond just doing things. Chine is a global leader in a whole lot of things. You're going to have a lot of trouble finding any country that doesn't do shitty things. Turns out that's a people problem, not a governmental one.
- datashow 7y ago
  Can you list the things China is a global leader in?
  - acvny 7y ago
    A very very big part of all consumer goods in the world are made in China. Including your iPhone.
  - Panoramix 7y ago
    You mean like solar panels, drones and 5G? There's plenty of things
    - datashow 7y ago
      I did't expect you would name "global leader" in each of those items, that would be a lot. Maybe ping pong as another one?
- mr_overalls 7y ago
  Generally, besides having a productive and globally-connected economy, a global leader will need to: 1) Function as a global policeman. Aside from serving domestic interests with this force projection, they will be expected to protect shipping lanes, offer humanitarian relief in emergency situations, etc. 2) Offer a stable currency of last resort 3) Export cultural values that are appealing to other countries China has show little interest in any of these.
  - zyang 7y ago
    That's a very one sided definition of global leader. No-one asked for a "global policeman".
    - Udik 7y ago
      A policeman without a mandate from a government is nothing but a thug with a gun.
    - AndrewKemendo 7y ago
      In fact, the majority of countries worldwide request military assistance from one of only a handful of nations (US, UK, China, Russia, France primarily) for police like protection through Defense Pacts/Treaties. The UN and NATO specifically, are explicitly chartered to serve as a collective for this function where all have shared interests. In reality most treaties are done outside of the UN. So I'm unsure on what basis you're suggesting that the political arms of nation states do not regularly seek a globally capable actor to police their neighbors.
- jackallis 7y ago
  China literally tried to hide everything about this virus, going as far as prosecuting people for mentioning it. Don't take it as ad hominem, but i dont know how you're missing the point here.
  - jmcqk6 7y ago
    The implication seems to be that this will have some sort of effect on chinese global leadership. I see zero evidence of those kind of consequences actually existing in the world. I don't like that situation. But I have a strict policy of seeing the world how it really is instead of how I wish it to be.
- cliqueiq 7y ago
  I think he's trying to say is, "China therefore is not ready to be a global leader on anything".
  - jmcqk6 7y ago
    I can get that sentiment, but can anyone point to any "global leader" that hasn't done similar things? The idea that our global leaders are some how moral paragons is just bullshit.

That wasn't obvious by virtue of being a communist nation that censors free speech? Edit: LOL at anyone that downvotes a post criticizing actual communism in 2020.

jmcqk6 7y ago

I have no idea what you're trying to say. There isn't some criteria you have to meet in order to be a "global leader" beyond just doing things. Chine is a global leader in a whole lot of things. You're going to have a lot of trouble finding any country that doesn't do shitty things. Turns out that's a people problem, not a governmental one.

datashow 7y ago
Can you list the things China is a global leader in?
- acvny 7y ago
  A very very big part of all consumer goods in the world are made in China. Including your iPhone.
- Panoramix 7y ago
  You mean like solar panels, drones and 5G? There's plenty of things
  - datashow 7y ago
    I did't expect you would name "global leader" in each of those items, that would be a lot. Maybe ping pong as another one?
mr_overalls 7y ago
Generally, besides having a productive and globally-connected economy, a global leader will need to: 1) Function as a global policeman. Aside from serving domestic interests with this force projection, they will be expected to protect shipping lanes, offer humanitarian relief in emergency situations, etc. 2) Offer a stable currency of last resort 3) Export cultural values that are appealing to other countries China has show little interest in any of these.
- zyang 7y ago
  That's a very one sided definition of global leader. No-one asked for a "global policeman".
  - Udik 7y ago
    A policeman without a mandate from a government is nothing but a thug with a gun.
  - AndrewKemendo 7y ago
    In fact, the majority of countries worldwide request military assistance from one of only a handful of nations (US, UK, China, Russia, France primarily) for police like protection through Defense Pacts/Treaties. The UN and NATO specifically, are explicitly chartered to serve as a collective for this function where all have shared interests. In reality most treaties are done outside of the UN. So I'm unsure on what basis you're suggesting that the political arms of nation states do not regularly seek a globally capable actor to police their neighbors.
jackallis 7y ago
China literally tried to hide everything about this virus, going as far as prosecuting people for mentioning it. Don't take it as ad hominem, but i dont know how you're missing the point here.
- jmcqk6 7y ago
  The implication seems to be that this will have some sort of effect on chinese global leadership. I see zero evidence of those kind of consequences actually existing in the world. I don't like that situation. But I have a strict policy of seeing the world how it really is instead of how I wish it to be.
cliqueiq 7y ago
I think he's trying to say is, "China therefore is not ready to be a global leader on anything".
- jmcqk6 7y ago
  I can get that sentiment, but can anyone point to any "global leader" that hasn't done similar things? The idea that our global leaders are some how moral paragons is just bullshit.