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I'm sure they were pressured, but the USG has deep pockets if they wanted someone to stop doing something they just throw a few million at them and call it done

I'm sure they were pressured, but the USG has deep pockets if they wanted someone to stop doing something they just throw a few million at them and call it done, there's far less chance of PR blowback then. Even just reading this article should show you that they kill you with kindness when they want to keep things hush-hush. If someone is developing a free tool, and are offered a retirement-tier payoff to stop, they're going to stop.

monocasa 7y ago
They didn't kill lavabit with kindness.
whatshisface 7y ago
If an average person got a huge windfall, that would raise a lot of attention, and people would wonder how they got the money. Police use sudden unexplained riches as a way to watch out for criminal activity, and everyone who knew the receiver of the windfall would ask questions. Between $10M and the other option, it may be easier to kill them with killing.
- K0SM0S 7y ago
  Agencies routinely set up fake businesses for cover, with the cooperation of insiders at big names (e.g. Dell). So you set up a fake SaaS, have your big name client buy the big thing 25k / CPU x however many you need to reach payout, done. All legitimized by a fancy public stock name. If things really get too hot, it's easy to send a letter to any country's IRS via their local intell agency. You'd be surprised how simple it is to close files in this world. I'd suggest reading Snowden's autobiography, Permanent Record. Very eye-opening and a great read.
jhart99 7y ago
I always assumed that this is exactly what happened to Skype and Whatsapp.
- paganel 7y ago
  I’m in the exact same boat as you. I’m on mobile and lazy to post links, but Whatsapp’s acquisition was carried through a boutique investment bank which had former CIA director George Tenet on its board of directors. Anyway, I found a quick link about the bank [1], it’s called Allen & Co. And also let’s not forget that the precursor of Google Maps was funded with CIA venture capital money. I’m stil curious why and how the Russians let the Google StreetView car do its thing on the roads of Russia. [1] https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/facebook-whatsapp-puts-allen-and-co-back-in-top-10-20140220 https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/facebook-whatsapp-puts-all...
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  - secfirstmd 7y ago
    Also that one of the founders shifted his support to Signal...

monocasa 7y ago

They didn't kill lavabit with kindness.

whatshisface 7y ago

If an average person got a huge windfall, that would raise a lot of attention, and people would wonder how they got the money. Police use sudden unexplained riches as a way to watch out for criminal activity, and everyone who knew the receiver of the windfall would ask questions. Between $10M and the other option, it may be easier to kill them with killing.

K0SM0S 7y ago
Agencies routinely set up fake businesses for cover, with the cooperation of insiders at big names (e.g. Dell). So you set up a fake SaaS, have your big name client buy the big thing 25k / CPU x however many you need to reach payout, done. All legitimized by a fancy public stock name. If things really get too hot, it's easy to send a letter to any country's IRS via their local intell agency. You'd be surprised how simple it is to close files in this world. I'd suggest reading Snowden's autobiography, Permanent Record. Very eye-opening and a great read.

jhart99 7y ago

I always assumed that this is exactly what happened to Skype and Whatsapp.

paganel 7y ago
I’m in the exact same boat as you. I’m on mobile and lazy to post links, but Whatsapp’s acquisition was carried through a boutique investment bank which had former CIA director George Tenet on its board of directors. Anyway, I found a quick link about the bank [1], it’s called Allen & Co. And also let’s not forget that the precursor of Google Maps was funded with CIA venture capital money. I’m stil curious why and how the Russians let the Google StreetView car do its thing on the roads of Russia. [1] https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/facebook-whatsapp-puts-allen-and-co-back-in-top-10-20140220 https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/facebook-whatsapp-puts-all...
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- secfirstmd 7y ago
  Also that one of the founders shifted his support to Signal...