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I'm struggling to see how wearing a specific style of clothing as connected to the following ideas A. common professional manners ethics and customs B. total b

I'm struggling to see how wearing a specific style of clothing as connected to the following ideas A. common professional manners ethics and customs B. total breakdown of communication and culture* (exception that clothing correlates to the aesthetic aspect of culture) A shirt doesn't cause you to be on time, sincerely follow up on commitments, and solve business problems. (Part A) Do people struggle to communicate with people in different clothing? I don't quite get this. (Part B) What I do see is the insistence on wearing specific clothes to work being an unwelcome intrusion on people's lives. I'm very interested in your point of view on how the traditional clothing culture makes a difference in the workplace. This is one of those things that has always felt alien to me and I just go along with it to please management.

artsyca 7y ago
Chapium I'm glad you asked and I believe the explanation would fill a volume the size of the art of computer programming I want to encourage you to consider the sociological and epistemiological implications taking into account every relevant consideration of which there are a plethora and perhaps you may arrive at the conclusions I have that manners matter and manner of dress falls well within this broad scope Beyond that I'll encourage you to draw your own logical and intuitive reasoning to consider whether the unkempt genius is any more or less a genius than the kempt one and which one you'd rather work with all things being equal I can't possibly explain it better than to say that some men wear neckties out of genuine respect for their peers and I am one such man As a computer scientist I treat the necktie as a semaphore which it literally and figuratively is and as such let me propose the following game theory question based on the prisoners dilemma What are the odds your adversary will cooperate if he is wearing a necktie a) willingly b) unwillingly How about if you are both wearing neckties? (willingly and/or unwillingly) I know it's abstract but so are human relationships and we all know than software is based on cooperation dynamics of this nature at its core More than anything I'm sick of not knowing who around me just rolled out of bed ten minutes before showing up to standup
- chapium 7y ago
  By all means, I don't mean for fellow workers to be unkempt, but relaxed outerwear can be dressed neatly. What bothers me is the song and dance of "professionalism" taking a seat before actually getting things done. You make a good point about neckties being a shared symbol of respect, but perhaps these come with some baggage as well. To me, a necktie also is a symbol of bureaucratic management. I propose a middle ground, not held by the unfortunate baggage of the status quo; and a symbol of humility among peers. At my workplace we shall all wear bow ties. Any color or pattern will do. This will unify us under a common symbol and we will know who is on board and who is not. > More than anything I'm sick of not knowing who around me just rolled out of bed ten minutes before showing up to standup. That gave me a chuckle, although isn't usually obvious who consistently performs like they just woke up 10 minutes earlier.
- sfgjhsjkghf 7y ago
  Your attitude, honestly, is contemptible and disgusting to me. I will show you the respect of explaining why: First, the very notion that you spend so much time worrying about what others wear, is quite disturbing, and says much more about your own mentality that that of those whom you're so eager to criticize. If someone is walking around in a thong or a ripped up pair of shorts, OK, I get it, but a simple T-shirt and blue jeans bothers you? Quite frankly, I don't want to be within 100 miles of you, or anyone like you. > 'As a computer scientist I treat the necktie as a semaphore which it literally and figuratively is' Yes indeed. The neck tie is literally a symbol of your mental slavery. It's meant to be symbolic of a leash around your neck, the other end of which is held firmly in Lucifer's grasp. Bet you never considered that. > 'I want to encourage you to consider the sociological and epistemiological implications taking into account every relevant consideration' ....such as the fact that suits are uncomfortable and ridiculous, and that neck ties (besides being a symbol of slavery) cut off circulation to the brain and are thus uncomfortable? And that your own personal discomfort at other people's perfectly reasonable clothing choices is a mental condition you need to somehow conquer, rather than attempting to impose your own foolish judgment on the rest of us? > 'I know it's abstract but so are human relationships and we all know than software is based on cooperation dynamics of this nature at its core.' Life is give and take, and quite frankly, there is nothing a person like yourself has to offer me that I can't find in abundance elsewhere, without having to deal with your crippling mental disorder.

artsyca 7y ago

Chapium I'm glad you asked and I believe the explanation would fill a volume the size of the art of computer programming I want to encourage you to consider the sociological and epistemiological implications taking into account every relevant consideration of which there are a plethora and perhaps you may arrive at the conclusions I have that manners matter and manner of dress falls well within this broad scope Beyond that I'll encourage you to draw your own logical and intuitive reasoning to consider whether the unkempt genius is any more or less a genius than the kempt one and which one you'd rather work with all things being equal I can't possibly explain it better than to say that some men wear neckties out of genuine respect for their peers and I am one such man As a computer scientist I treat the necktie as a semaphore which it literally and figuratively is and as such let me propose the following game theory question based on the prisoners dilemma What are the odds your adversary will cooperate if he is wearing a necktie a) willingly b) unwillingly How about if you are both wearing neckties? (willingly and/or unwillingly) I know it's abstract but so are human relationships and we all know than software is based on cooperation dynamics of this nature at its core More than anything I'm sick of not knowing who around me just rolled out of bed ten minutes before showing up to standup

chapium 7y ago
By all means, I don't mean for fellow workers to be unkempt, but relaxed outerwear can be dressed neatly. What bothers me is the song and dance of "professionalism" taking a seat before actually getting things done. You make a good point about neckties being a shared symbol of respect, but perhaps these come with some baggage as well. To me, a necktie also is a symbol of bureaucratic management. I propose a middle ground, not held by the unfortunate baggage of the status quo; and a symbol of humility among peers. At my workplace we shall all wear bow ties. Any color or pattern will do. This will unify us under a common symbol and we will know who is on board and who is not. > More than anything I'm sick of not knowing who around me just rolled out of bed ten minutes before showing up to standup. That gave me a chuckle, although isn't usually obvious who consistently performs like they just woke up 10 minutes earlier.
sfgjhsjkghf 7y ago
Your attitude, honestly, is contemptible and disgusting to me. I will show you the respect of explaining why: First, the very notion that you spend so much time worrying about what others wear, is quite disturbing, and says much more about your own mentality that that of those whom you're so eager to criticize. If someone is walking around in a thong or a ripped up pair of shorts, OK, I get it, but a simple T-shirt and blue jeans bothers you? Quite frankly, I don't want to be within 100 miles of you, or anyone like you. > 'As a computer scientist I treat the necktie as a semaphore which it literally and figuratively is' Yes indeed. The neck tie is literally a symbol of your mental slavery. It's meant to be symbolic of a leash around your neck, the other end of which is held firmly in Lucifer's grasp. Bet you never considered that. > 'I want to encourage you to consider the sociological and epistemiological implications taking into account every relevant consideration' ....such as the fact that suits are uncomfortable and ridiculous, and that neck ties (besides being a symbol of slavery) cut off circulation to the brain and are thus uncomfortable? And that your own personal discomfort at other people's perfectly reasonable clothing choices is a mental condition you need to somehow conquer, rather than attempting to impose your own foolish judgment on the rest of us? > 'I know it's abstract but so are human relationships and we all know than software is based on cooperation dynamics of this nature at its core.' Life is give and take, and quite frankly, there is nothing a person like yourself has to offer me that I can't find in abundance elsewhere, without having to deal with your crippling mental disorder.