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Everything after your first two sentences is off-topic. If the comments on all articles about Amazon devolve into general complaints about Amazon, there will n
by jessriedel 7y ago
Everything after your first two sentences is off-topic. If the comments on all articles about Amazon devolve into general complaints about Amazon, there will never be quality discussion.
- plicense 7y agoUmm I guess you could ignore the comment then. Part of what I like about HN is the tangential discussion and the personal experience that commenters share.
- jessriedel 7y agoIf "you should ignore it"/"just downvote it" was sufficient, we wouldn't need site guidelines or moderators. Off-topic Amazon hate will always win the upvote wars unless people are principled.
- Pfhreak 7y agoDid I come off as hating Amazon? I'm thankful for my time there. I learned buckets. I specifically called out several things about Amazon I really liked. I'm at a different place in my life and the things I commented on are fair criticisms. (Critiquing something is not the same as hating something. I have plenty of media I critique that I also enjoy.)
- jessriedel 7y agoYour net judgement came off as mildly negative, but the structure of merely listing complaints about the place, many of which have been discussed here ad nauseam, with no substantive connection to the article, is hater catnip.
- wpietri 7y agoWe have site guidelines and moderators, neither of which seem to have taken exception to somebody posting honestly about their experience relating to the article topic. Maybe you don't need to be sheriff of HN for this? I thought it was a useful and interesting comment. If you've had your fill of some subtopic, do what I do: keep scrolling.
- jessriedel 7y agoThere are moderators for egregious indisputable violations, just like there are police for lawbreaking. But there are also murky or less clear-cut cases that nevertheless clearly degrade the quality of the discussion over time, just like there are lots of mean things people do to each other in the real world that appropriately are not punished by the police. The way these are dealt with is by telling the person they shouldn't do what they've done, and by arguing to others that it shouldn't be supported.
- wpietri 7y agoOr another way we signal it is by downvoting things. So maybe check out the color of your posts in this thread and consider that you have confused "thing I don't like" with "degrades the discussion".
- Pfhreak 7y agoI disagree. S-teams set the culture. They drive their organizations in a way that is very, very active (especially relative to places I've worked elsewhere.) When there are cultural issues at Amazon, I believe that they can be at least partly traced to the s-team leaders.
- jessriedel 7y agoWhat about that has to do with the contents of the article? You didn't make contact with anything besides the term "S-team" in the headline. And even then, you say they drive all this culture, but you don't say anything substantive. How? What events?
- Pfhreak 7y agoThe article itself discusses inferring Amazon's priorities from changes to their s-team, including doubling the number of AWS s-team members. I'm not sure I'm allowed to disclose which events/meetings their s-team regularly attends. I will say that I did have several opportunities to interact with them directly in meetings, and indirectly via goals setting and annual planning exercises. Peter Desantis is a long time AWS guy, and was present at many of those same meetings/exercises. Peter, and other s-team members, talk about what it means to be AWS. That they've chosen to make him an s-team leader says to me that they like the culture the s-team is cultivating, and want to continue to grow it.
- jessriedel 7y agoBut priorities is not the same as culture! This is such a broad and vague connection. The "priorities" in the article are all about different markets (fashion, Alexa, AWS, etc.). I'm not going to litigate this further with you.
- offbyone 7y agoProbably for the best.. you're not really coming off very well here.