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I've been rejected at Google and Facebook and most of HN doesn't think my total compensation is all that impressive, so, I probably don't have many options to b

I've been rejected at Google and Facebook and most of HN doesn't think my total compensation is all that impressive, so, I probably don't have many options to be real with you.

SamBam 7y ago
> The tech industry is large enough that if you're good enough to work at Amazon, you probably have options. > I've been rejected at Google and Facebook These two statements are not contradicting each other...
- lowiqengineer 7y ago
  Perhaps, but my goal is to make ~$250k a year as fast as possible. To do so at my current company would take at least 3 years and 2 promotions, whereas even James Damore was making $400k+ 4 years into his tenure. I can't get offers at trading firms, so I'm kinda SOL overall.
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  - shitlord 7y ago
    The easiest path to $250k is to go to Oracle. The next easiest path is to go to a unicorn. If you can reach the SDE2-equivalent, you'll be earning over 250k.
  - heymoneataguava 7y ago
    Funny, this is exactly how I picture people who work in digital advertisement thinking.
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xenocyon 7y ago
Why do you care whether HN thinks your comp is impressive? Money is a tool. Once basic material needs are met, tying personal self-worth to a numeric value is not a recipe for happiness, and chasing other people's expectations of what you should be earning is even worse. I would say you probably do have options, if you choose to go for them.
- jdck1326 7y ago
  >not a recipe for happiness And certainly not a recipe for morality
  - okr 7y ago
    Why morally? If you go for the money and you do not steal it, you certainly bring value into the world, that people are willing to pay for. Do not see what is morally wrong about it.
    - luckylion 7y ago
      > If you go for the money and you do not steal it, you certainly bring value into the world, that people are willing to pay for. Opioid manufacturers bribing doctors to prescribe more opioids so people get addicted and will buy more opioids.
    - jdck1326 7y ago
      One flaw in your reasoning is that often times people are willing to pay for things which are bad. For example, the Holocaust was bad (a lot of good people died), but people were willing to pay for help in carrying out the Holocaust. Therefore, it doesn't follow from the fact that people are willing to pay for a thing (the Holocaust), that that thing is a morally correct thing to do (the Holocaust was bad). That is to say, just because someone values something (people valued the Holocaust), doesn't mean that it is a moral thing to do (the Holocaust was not a moral thing to do). To see my point all you need to do is imagine either a bad person or an ignorant person having money. If you think either of those situations is plausible, then you can surely imagine such a person paying for something which has a bad effect on the world. For most ideas of morality, doing things which can reasonably be expected to have bad effects on the world is considered immoral (this is very loosely stated, but hopefully you can see my point).
heymijo 7y ago
> my goal is to make ~$250k a year as fast as possible. To do so at my current company would take at least 3 years and 2 promotions Hi, I don't want to dunk on you, but I would truly encourage you to gain some perspective on just how myopic a view this is. (I couldn't reply to your comment below where you said this)
- Pfhreak 7y ago
  Are you familiar with their circumstances? Maybe they have a limited window before retirement age. Maybe they have medical bills. Maybe they need to support a parent or grandparent. Maybe they need to send remittances to support a family "back home". There's any number of reasons why that number might not be myopic.
- lowiqengineer 7y ago
  I don't think it's myopic if everyone I follow on twitter and see on instagram is getting Hawaiian offsites and European work trips at Google and Hudson River Trading while I can't even go to Seattle for our internal ML conference because it got filled up too quickly for the last 3 years or whatever. I enjoy what I work on..I just wish I was treated more like all of my friends and former coworkers.
  - hello_moto 7y ago
    Eh... If you follow YouTubers you would think all of them achieved financial freedoms, have a uber house in Bali, and do nothing all day long. You're not myopic but you just follow a niche group of people.
  - ericmcer 7y ago
    There will always be people who seem to have it better than you do. Maybe really analyze what you want to get out of your time on this earth?
  - hamburglar 7y ago
    Honestly, interview around with no expectations if you haven't. You may be surprised at what else is going to be offered. I'm not going to tell you it's necessarily 400k or anything, but the variance is quite high if you're willing to relocate to, say, Seattle. An amazon resume is worth a certain amount of money, and there are other companies that will offer you things you enjoy working on too.
joncrane 7y ago
You do now that you have Amazon on your resume.
- lowiqengineer 7y ago
  My resume was mostly fine even before joining fulltime.
hello_moto 7y ago
Keep hitting leetcode, try again, and pray harder... that's what everybody else is doing. I had a co-op who used to be chill, laid back, and wasn't strong from engineering perspective (a wee bit lack of passion too). All he did was leetcode and he got MSFT -> Google.
- DarthGhandi 7y ago
  > that's what everybody else is doing Bit scary to know that yet say it. There's many ways to scale the same mountain, perhaps going the packed out tourist route isn't the best for most? Might take a bit longer.
  - hello_moto 7y ago
    Alternatives: build a startup and pray to get acquired join a startup and pray to get acquired (there's still a post acquisition interview though) contribute to OSS and pray G/F noticed and maybe ask to hire you (still have to go through some interview) This ain't the old Silicon Valley anymore. Majority of the companies in SF applies Leetcode as filters.
jcims 7y ago
The HN salary dick swinging contest is absurd and not something you should factor into your overall happiness.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  Like the $500k engineer has time to tell you how to be happy. Ever since he started making $600k a year, he's been enjoying himself at his $700k/year job. The fact that you're not even making $800k/year like him means you're probably not worth talking to. You'd have to be at least a $900k/year engineer like him to be worthy of time.
- amf12 7y ago
  HN is still tame. Blind is cancer about comp related dick swinging.

I've been rejected at Google and Facebook and most of HN doesn't think my total compensation is all that impressive, so, I probably don't have many options to be real with you.

SamBam 7y ago

> The tech industry is large enough that if you're good enough to work at Amazon, you probably have options. > I've been rejected at Google and Facebook These two statements are not contradicting each other...

lowiqengineer 7y ago
Perhaps, but my goal is to make ~$250k a year as fast as possible. To do so at my current company would take at least 3 years and 2 promotions, whereas even James Damore was making $400k+ 4 years into his tenure. I can't get offers at trading firms, so I'm kinda SOL overall.
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- shitlord 7y ago
  The easiest path to $250k is to go to Oracle. The next easiest path is to go to a unicorn. If you can reach the SDE2-equivalent, you'll be earning over 250k.
- heymoneataguava 7y ago
  Funny, this is exactly how I picture people who work in digital advertisement thinking.
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xenocyon 7y ago

Why do you care whether HN thinks your comp is impressive? Money is a tool. Once basic material needs are met, tying personal self-worth to a numeric value is not a recipe for happiness, and chasing other people's expectations of what you should be earning is even worse. I would say you probably do have options, if you choose to go for them.

jdck1326 7y ago
>not a recipe for happiness And certainly not a recipe for morality
- okr 7y ago
  Why morally? If you go for the money and you do not steal it, you certainly bring value into the world, that people are willing to pay for. Do not see what is morally wrong about it.
  - luckylion 7y ago
    > If you go for the money and you do not steal it, you certainly bring value into the world, that people are willing to pay for. Opioid manufacturers bribing doctors to prescribe more opioids so people get addicted and will buy more opioids.
  - jdck1326 7y ago
    One flaw in your reasoning is that often times people are willing to pay for things which are bad. For example, the Holocaust was bad (a lot of good people died), but people were willing to pay for help in carrying out the Holocaust. Therefore, it doesn't follow from the fact that people are willing to pay for a thing (the Holocaust), that that thing is a morally correct thing to do (the Holocaust was bad). That is to say, just because someone values something (people valued the Holocaust), doesn't mean that it is a moral thing to do (the Holocaust was not a moral thing to do). To see my point all you need to do is imagine either a bad person or an ignorant person having money. If you think either of those situations is plausible, then you can surely imagine such a person paying for something which has a bad effect on the world. For most ideas of morality, doing things which can reasonably be expected to have bad effects on the world is considered immoral (this is very loosely stated, but hopefully you can see my point).

heymijo 7y ago

> my goal is to make ~$250k a year as fast as possible. To do so at my current company would take at least 3 years and 2 promotions Hi, I don't want to dunk on you, but I would truly encourage you to gain some perspective on just how myopic a view this is. (I couldn't reply to your comment below where you said this)

Pfhreak 7y ago
Are you familiar with their circumstances? Maybe they have a limited window before retirement age. Maybe they have medical bills. Maybe they need to support a parent or grandparent. Maybe they need to send remittances to support a family "back home". There's any number of reasons why that number might not be myopic.
lowiqengineer 7y ago
I don't think it's myopic if everyone I follow on twitter and see on instagram is getting Hawaiian offsites and European work trips at Google and Hudson River Trading while I can't even go to Seattle for our internal ML conference because it got filled up too quickly for the last 3 years or whatever. I enjoy what I work on..I just wish I was treated more like all of my friends and former coworkers.
- hello_moto 7y ago
  Eh... If you follow YouTubers you would think all of them achieved financial freedoms, have a uber house in Bali, and do nothing all day long. You're not myopic but you just follow a niche group of people.
- ericmcer 7y ago
  There will always be people who seem to have it better than you do. Maybe really analyze what you want to get out of your time on this earth?
- hamburglar 7y ago
  Honestly, interview around with no expectations if you haven't. You may be surprised at what else is going to be offered. I'm not going to tell you it's necessarily 400k or anything, but the variance is quite high if you're willing to relocate to, say, Seattle. An amazon resume is worth a certain amount of money, and there are other companies that will offer you things you enjoy working on too.

joncrane 7y ago

You do now that you have Amazon on your resume.

lowiqengineer 7y ago
My resume was mostly fine even before joining fulltime.

hello_moto 7y ago

Keep hitting leetcode, try again, and pray harder... that's what everybody else is doing. I had a co-op who used to be chill, laid back, and wasn't strong from engineering perspective (a wee bit lack of passion too). All he did was leetcode and he got MSFT -> Google.

DarthGhandi 7y ago
> that's what everybody else is doing Bit scary to know that yet say it. There's many ways to scale the same mountain, perhaps going the packed out tourist route isn't the best for most? Might take a bit longer.
- hello_moto 7y ago
  Alternatives: build a startup and pray to get acquired join a startup and pray to get acquired (there's still a post acquisition interview though) contribute to OSS and pray G/F noticed and maybe ask to hire you (still have to go through some interview) This ain't the old Silicon Valley anymore. Majority of the companies in SF applies Leetcode as filters.

jcims 7y ago

The HN salary dick swinging contest is absurd and not something you should factor into your overall happiness.

scarejunba 7y ago
Like the $500k engineer has time to tell you how to be happy. Ever since he started making $600k a year, he's been enjoying himself at his $700k/year job. The fact that you're not even making $800k/year like him means you're probably not worth talking to. You'd have to be at least a $900k/year engineer like him to be worthy of time.
amf12 7y ago
HN is still tame. Blind is cancer about comp related dick swinging.