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> run by competent, principled people. That is a root cause of a lot of problem. Whatever org you build eventually honest competent people will be replaced by

> run by competent, principled people. That is a root cause of a lot of problem. Whatever org you build eventually honest competent people will be replaced by callous assholes.

ohazi 7y ago
I think we can accomplish a lot by demonstrating that we're serious about routing around bad behavior. If people start seriously talking about migrating away from today's ICANN, I suspect that one of two things are likely to happen: 1. ICANN might see this as an existential threat, realize that they can't act with impunity, and will start to change their behavior. I am pretty pessimistic about ICANN's current leadership, and think this is less likely to happen. 2. The powers that be will start to see what a disaster this would be, and will find a way to replace the current ICANN leadership. I think this is more likely to happen. Either way, the result is a better outcome for everyone, at least for a while. But that's how governance works -- leadership tries to get away with whatever they can, and people need to get angry enough to threaten their ability to continue down that path. This process doesn't end.
- thorwasdfasdf 7y ago
  Either that, or they'll try to get Congress to pass laws that force everyone to use ICANN, in the name of security or some other.
  - ohashi 7y ago
    If Google, Mozilla, Apple and Microsoft decided to split the root using browsers, I think the US government would be happier having them under their control. Why do they need to play ICANN's game if US companies control the new DNS. Fuck ICANN, why would US government want to continue to support a corrupt international organization trying to avoid US government oversight?
sprite-1 7y ago
A decentralized solution would always be best IMO instead of relying on one sole organization
munk-a 7y ago
I agree - and good long term solutions that have been tried haven't held up well - you just need to occasionally shake the house and get all the corruption out.

> run by competent, principled people. That is a root cause of a lot of problem. Whatever org you build eventually honest competent people will be replaced by callous assholes.

ohazi 7y ago

I think we can accomplish a lot by demonstrating that we're serious about routing around bad behavior. If people start seriously talking about migrating away from today's ICANN, I suspect that one of two things are likely to happen: 1. ICANN might see this as an existential threat, realize that they can't act with impunity, and will start to change their behavior. I am pretty pessimistic about ICANN's current leadership, and think this is less likely to happen. 2. The powers that be will start to see what a disaster this would be, and will find a way to replace the current ICANN leadership. I think this is more likely to happen. Either way, the result is a better outcome for everyone, at least for a while. But that's how governance works -- leadership tries to get away with whatever they can, and people need to get angry enough to threaten their ability to continue down that path. This process doesn't end.

thorwasdfasdf 7y ago
Either that, or they'll try to get Congress to pass laws that force everyone to use ICANN, in the name of security or some other.
- ohashi 7y ago
  If Google, Mozilla, Apple and Microsoft decided to split the root using browsers, I think the US government would be happier having them under their control. Why do they need to play ICANN's game if US companies control the new DNS. Fuck ICANN, why would US government want to continue to support a corrupt international organization trying to avoid US government oversight?

sprite-1 7y ago

A decentralized solution would always be best IMO instead of relying on one sole organization

munk-a 7y ago

I agree - and good long term solutions that have been tried haven't held up well - you just need to occasionally shake the house and get all the corruption out.