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I think the point of using Vim or Emacs is that sometimes you don't want a full IDE. Often when I'm writing code I just want my editor to be fast and not requi

by amock 16y ago

I think the point of using Vim or Emacs is that sometimes you don't want a full IDE. Often when I'm writing code I just want my editor to be fast and not require me to take my hands of off the keyboard. Both Vim and Emacs have much better keyboard navigation and are much faster than Eclipse.

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- technomancy 16y ago
  > you can't be productive with it if you need to write more than small pieces of code. This is possibly true in Java, but in better languages you don't need much help from your editor to be productive.
  - reedF211 16y ago
    Oh please... emacs and vim are way behind even crappy IDEs let alone solid ones like Netbeans. They lack some basic features that any working programmers cannot be productive without. I'm not talking anything fancy like Intellisense but basic features like syntax highlighting, file browsing , and a decent debugger are missing. I know someone is going to say "oh but you can configure and hack around to get those features", but thing is I don't wanna have to fight with my development environment to get these basic features.
    - msbarnett 16y ago
      This isn't even remotely correct. Both emacs and vim have had those features out of the box for years. Decades, even.
    - Locke1689 16y ago
      Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen.
    - wahnfrieden 16y ago
      vim comes with syntax highlighting and file browsing built-in. You just have to enable the syntax highlighting, but it's one command to put into your rc. Yes vim has some sucky defaults, but it's disingenuous to call these simple cases "hacks" or to suggest it takes fighting the software to get it working. vim doesn't have a debugger since it's outside the scope of vim, which is just an editor. If you want an "all-in-one" philosophy, maybe emacs will treat you better.
- travisjeffery 16y ago
  > Ok, I agree, maybe for scripting and small code, but anything more complex is just for the Hype of saying I am a Emacs user and you are just a plain dumb Java developer that uses eclipse. Sorry, no. I don't have any prejudice on whatever programming language you use, but you're making yourself look like a plain dumb person, period by saying that you can't be productive with Vim or Emacs with large pieces of code. Here's just a few notable cases...Guido and Python with Vim and Emacs, Torvalds and Linux/Git with MicroEmacs, Stroustrup and C++ with Sam, DHH and Ruby on Rails with TextMate, Matsumoto and Ruby with Emacs, Zawinski and Mozilla with Emacs, Steele and Scheme with Emacs, and on and on. Ridiculous.
stelfer 16y ago
Emacs mode in Eclipse? It has almost all of the navigation keystrokes. As far as emacs not being everywhere, I recently just learned about mg on openbsd. If I had just rtfm I would have found it years ago.

by amock 16y ago

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technomancy 16y ago
> you can't be productive with it if you need to write more than small pieces of code. This is possibly true in Java, but in better languages you don't need much help from your editor to be productive.
- reedF211 16y ago
  Oh please... emacs and vim are way behind even crappy IDEs let alone solid ones like Netbeans. They lack some basic features that any working programmers cannot be productive without. I'm not talking anything fancy like Intellisense but basic features like syntax highlighting, file browsing , and a decent debugger are missing. I know someone is going to say "oh but you can configure and hack around to get those features", but thing is I don't wanna have to fight with my development environment to get these basic features.
  - msbarnett 16y ago
    This isn't even remotely correct. Both emacs and vim have had those features out of the box for years. Decades, even.
  - Locke1689 16y ago
    Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen.
  - wahnfrieden 16y ago
    vim comes with syntax highlighting and file browsing built-in. You just have to enable the syntax highlighting, but it's one command to put into your rc. Yes vim has some sucky defaults, but it's disingenuous to call these simple cases "hacks" or to suggest it takes fighting the software to get it working. vim doesn't have a debugger since it's outside the scope of vim, which is just an editor. If you want an "all-in-one" philosophy, maybe emacs will treat you better.
travisjeffery 16y ago
> Ok, I agree, maybe for scripting and small code, but anything more complex is just for the Hype of saying I am a Emacs user and you are just a plain dumb Java developer that uses eclipse. Sorry, no. I don't have any prejudice on whatever programming language you use, but you're making yourself look like a plain dumb person, period by saying that you can't be productive with Vim or Emacs with large pieces of code. Here's just a few notable cases...Guido and Python with Vim and Emacs, Torvalds and Linux/Git with MicroEmacs, Stroustrup and C++ with Sam, DHH and Ruby on Rails with TextMate, Matsumoto and Ruby with Emacs, Zawinski and Mozilla with Emacs, Steele and Scheme with Emacs, and on and on. Ridiculous.

stelfer 16y ago

Emacs mode in Eclipse? It has almost all of the navigation keystrokes. As far as emacs not being everywhere, I recently just learned about mg on openbsd. If I had just rtfm I would have found it years ago.