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So, I've edited a journal, been on journal editorial boards, and reviewed a lot. I'm skeptical that more transparency in peer review will make a difference at a
by skat20phys 7y ago
So, I've edited a journal, been on journal editorial boards, and reviewed a lot. I'm skeptical that more transparency in peer review will make a difference at all. In fact, some of the proposed solutions might hurt a bit. In the very least, I think there's a tidal wave of change in publishing that's making traditional academic peer review moot.
The linked question is interesting for me to think about given one of my relatively recent experiences (this is all in the area of statistics, so kind of directly relevant). I was asked to review an article, and as a counterpoint to one of my concerns, the author cited an in-press paper in a fairly well-respected journal. So I go to look at it, and it makes little sense to me, in that it contradicts a bunch of other things that are known. I look at it closer, and it turns out there's a subtle but important notational error carried through much of the proofs that basically invalidates the whole paper.
So I contact the editor of that journal to feel out the response to writing a commentary about the issue, with a fairly detailed explanation of the flaw in the proofs. Instead of being receptive or at least neutral, the editor throws up all sorts of obstacles — not exactly threats, but strong discouragement in the form of a long list of criteria that had to be met, several of which were completely unnecessary. My colleagues (who are also editors of other journals) got even more upset than me, believing that the editor was trying to bury the error and so forth. One even threatened to expose the exchange on twitter or something.
The truth is, I don't know that I cared that much about this particular topic to really put the effort into writing a commentary, fighting with the editor to publish it, and skewering the author's ego in the process. My friends and I discussed just putting the commentary on an online archive, but it wasn't clear anyone would make the connection with the paper. Also, for unrelated reasons, I shortly afterward wrote a different paper that was more comprehensive in scope that sort of superceded that flawed proof anyway (that is, if someone read this paper of mine, the results of the first erroneous paper would probably seen as as irrelevant).
In this case, the flawed proof/paper was peer reviewed. Making the reviews transparent wouldn't have mattered because in the end the paper was published. Maybe one of the reviewers raised the issues but it was published anyway, so published reviews would tip a reader off? But at that point where are we? If I had done something (and maybe I still will?), I would have just published it in a public academic archive anyway. What, then, is the point of peer reviewed journals? Are we better off just posting papers publicly, and publicly commenting on them? Is stripping anonymity from reviewers a good or bad thing? Won't that discourage rigorous review, for fear of repercussions against reviewers? Is review really all that rigorous anyway?
My personal impression is that the volume of academic publishing has increased so much that it's impossible for readers to really keep up, and making it more difficult for scientific consensus to form completely. Publicly available papers in archives is a natural extension of this. What this means is that readers increasingly pick and choose which literature they read and cite, which truth they want to reinforce, and what truth they want to suppress. When you open up peer review to be public, those reviews become just another part of that literature. The peer reviews become blog and twitter posts, which is absolutely fine, but then a reader just selectively picks and chooses which what reviews and blog posts they cite, and so forth and so on.
For the record, I'm very much for open publishing, and open discussion of literature. I just think that academics hasn't wrestled with the implications of that, in terms of what it will look like (e.g., amplifying fads, decreased signal to noise ratio, increased feedback loops), and whether it's worthwhile to vigorously maintain anonymous peer review to have that as another form of literature evaluation. There's already a lot of public discussion of papers, and this will only increase regardless of what happens to peer review. Maybe the issue is who does the anonymous review? Maybe just opening up papers to anonymous commentary is the right way to go?
- btrettel 7y ago> My personal impression is that the volume of academic publishing has increased so much that it's impossible for readers to really keep up, and making it more difficult for scientific consensus to form completely. I've noticed this as well, and it just makes me think that quality reviews become more important over time. Unfortunately, in my experience most reviews basically mirror what a couple recent reviews said, adding a few new papers. This is assumed to be up-to-date when in fact if the older reviews missed some important older papers, it's not up-to-date. And that's what I see: important papers missed by reviews in the past continue to be missed. I don't know if this experience is valid outside of fields other than my own, however. In my PhD I've tried to comprehensively review the literature and I've found quite a few important missed papers. I think few people actively pick "which truth they want to reinforce, and what truth they want to suppress." My impression is that literature reviews are done more out of convenience than an intentional desire to distort the literature. > My friends and I discussed just putting the commentary on an online archive, but it wasn't clear anyone would make the connection with the paper. I think PubPeer is designed for this situation: https://pubpeer.com/ https://pubpeer.com/
- skat20phys 7y agoI knew there were things like what I was mentioning, but couldn't remember the names of them. Thanks. I don't think any of these biases are necessarily consciously enacted, but I think they exist in some of the ways you mention. There's a sort of echo chamber effect or positive feedback loop with citations. Somewhere I remember reading a bibliometric analysis of citation patterns in the nutritional sciences regarding the effects of salt. There were two huge clusters of papers, one basically "salt is basically fine" and the other is "salt should basically be avoided". The papers in a cluster cited each other a lot, and not so much papers in the other clusters. I agree that quality reviews become more important over time, but there's the issue of "according to who?" I suppose this becomes an expert judgment call and is the nature of these things, as it always has been, but I feel like as things become more parochial and balkanized the meaning of a "good review" changes somewhat, or becomes harder to agree on.
- ColanR 7y ago> In this case, the flawed proof/paper was peer reviewed. Making the reviews transparent wouldn't have mattered because in the end the paper was published. Maybe one of the reviewers raised the issues but it was published anyway, so published reviews would tip a reader off? I don't assume that what you describe would not happen if the reviews were published as commentary; but I do imagine that the public nature of reviews would encourage more careful review, since in that particular case you mention the reviewer and the author(s) together would share the blame for the error. Additionally, knowing what was reviewed would indicate what was not - and in your example, perhaps there was no careful review of the notation being used. That would be valuable for a critical reader to be aware of. I could read the article, see which parts were critiqued by the reviewers, and if I was skeptical, my critical analysis would build on the reviews instead of reinvent that wheel.