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> How were they identified exactly? I'm always fascinated with these DOJ indictments of foreign state actors but I'm always left wondering how they managed to n

by Seenso 7y ago

> How were they identified exactly? I'm always fascinated with these DOJ indictments of foreign state actors but I'm always left wondering how they managed to narrow it down to a small group of people. My guess is they counter-hacked the PLA’s 54th Research Institute to identify the culprits, then used parallel construction for the indictment. IIRC, the public intelligence report on the Russian 2016 election influence campaign revealed that the US had counter-hacked some of the Russian groups involved, and used the information gained from that as evidence to attribute the overall campaign to the Russians.

jessaustin 7y ago
They've just named some names. These people might be associated with that "institute", but they're just as likely to be custodians or secretaries as hackers.
- seppin 7y ago
  You didn't read the previous GRU indictments very closely. They got actual surveillance footage of individuals in the building.
  - jessaustin 7y ago
    On the "surveillance footage", were they mopping and sweeping? I wonder whether such "footage" constitutes prima facie evidence for an indictment going the opposite direction...
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    - seppin 7y ago
      I remember your user name, you popped up in another thread about US/China, talked baseless anti-US conspiracies then left. Is there a reason you spend time out of your day to do this?
      - jessaustin 7y ago
        I do it because Russia and China pay me a great deal of money to annoy silly warmongers on the internet.
        seppin 7y ago
        That would be less sad than doing it for free. The "war" you referenced btw, the one we are discussing in this thread, is against the US. Do tell us how the Chinese Military hacking American private companies is somehow the fault of America.
        jessaustin 7y ago
        There isn't actually a war. Some Chinese people have been accused of accessing some PII published by Equifax. Even mentioning "war" in these circumstances is a bit twisted. Unlike small nations who can't defend themselves, if we start something with China we'll get our asses kicked. Then your agitation for violent conflict won't seem like such a great idea...
        Seenso 7y ago
        > I do it because Russia and China pay me a great deal of money to annoy silly warmongers on the internet. Cut out the trolling, please. It's neither clever nor valuable in the slightest, and just increases the noise level.
    - seppin 7y ago
      No sitting at computers and committing crimes. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch-intelligence-hacked-video-cameras-in-office-of-russians-who-hacked-dnc/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch... Thanks for playing.
      - jessaustin 7y ago
        You do realize, that Russia and China are different nations?
        Seenso 7y ago
        > You do realize, that Russia and China are different nations? I'm sure he does. You've been introducing several confusions into this subthread, and the above is one of them. If there's been any national confusion on this topic, it's been between the Dutch and the Americans.
        seppin 7y ago
        When I said "previous GRU indictments" I was referring to the 2018 indictments against Russia (GRU is one of their hacking groups), laid out in the same way by the same American DOJ. The amount of detail they went into then shocked everyone, and made the case beyond question. The fact that you didn't even know what country I was talking about, yet insist on continue in this conversation like you know enough to participate is telling. Continue on lowering the value of every thread you decide to post in.
        jessaustin 7y ago
        TFA and my first comment ITT are about China. Your reply to that comment was about Russia, so everything from that on down was probably a waste of time. Then again, we're talking about DoJ indictments of foreign soldiers for allegedly accessing data that was open to all, so the whole thing has been a waste of time from the beginning. It's a good thing there isn't any real crime in USA for DoJ to investigate.

by Seenso 7y ago

jessaustin 7y ago

They've just named some names. These people might be associated with that "institute", but they're just as likely to be custodians or secretaries as hackers.

seppin 7y ago
You didn't read the previous GRU indictments very closely. They got actual surveillance footage of individuals in the building.
- jessaustin 7y ago
  On the "surveillance footage", were they mopping and sweeping? I wonder whether such "footage" constitutes prima facie evidence for an indictment going the opposite direction...
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - seppin 7y ago
    I remember your user name, you popped up in another thread about US/China, talked baseless anti-US conspiracies then left. Is there a reason you spend time out of your day to do this?
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      I do it because Russia and China pay me a great deal of money to annoy silly warmongers on the internet.
      - seppin 7y ago
        That would be less sad than doing it for free. The "war" you referenced btw, the one we are discussing in this thread, is against the US. Do tell us how the Chinese Military hacking American private companies is somehow the fault of America.
        jessaustin 7y ago
        There isn't actually a war. Some Chinese people have been accused of accessing some PII published by Equifax. Even mentioning "war" in these circumstances is a bit twisted. Unlike small nations who can't defend themselves, if we start something with China we'll get our asses kicked. Then your agitation for violent conflict won't seem like such a great idea...
      - Seenso 7y ago
        > I do it because Russia and China pay me a great deal of money to annoy silly warmongers on the internet. Cut out the trolling, please. It's neither clever nor valuable in the slightest, and just increases the noise level.
  - seppin 7y ago
    No sitting at computers and committing crimes. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch-intelligence-hacked-video-cameras-in-office-of-russians-who-hacked-dnc/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch... Thanks for playing.
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      You do realize, that Russia and China are different nations?
      - Seenso 7y ago
        > You do realize, that Russia and China are different nations? I'm sure he does. You've been introducing several confusions into this subthread, and the above is one of them. If there's been any national confusion on this topic, it's been between the Dutch and the Americans.
      - seppin 7y ago
        When I said "previous GRU indictments" I was referring to the 2018 indictments against Russia (GRU is one of their hacking groups), laid out in the same way by the same American DOJ. The amount of detail they went into then shocked everyone, and made the case beyond question. The fact that you didn't even know what country I was talking about, yet insist on continue in this conversation like you know enough to participate is telling. Continue on lowering the value of every thread you decide to post in.
        jessaustin 7y ago
        TFA and my first comment ITT are about China. Your reply to that comment was about Russia, so everything from that on down was probably a waste of time. Then again, we're talking about DoJ indictments of foreign soldiers for allegedly accessing data that was open to all, so the whole thing has been a waste of time from the beginning. It's a good thing there isn't any real crime in USA for DoJ to investigate.