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I believe in both Creationism and Evolutionism, but in a modified way: For each entity there was a proto entity that was created by some process. Like you have

I believe in both Creationism and Evolutionism, but in a modified way: For each entity there was a proto entity that was created by some process. Like you have some primordial elements that are intelligently organized in a way that creates life. Then, this first entity, evolved , during billions of years, following certain laws created by this Creator, to the form we have today. In sum, I don't believe everything came from Chaos by chance. There must be a sentient force, with a consciousness far beyond what we can conceive, that manipulated this Chaos , primordial elements and created everything from it. Chaos, by it's very nature cannot create order from itself. This is the only explanation that makes sense to me. To me we all got pieces of the truth. One day we'll merge it all and understand everything.

mwfunk 7y ago
That's not Creationism though. Creationism really is, there is no evolution and everything was created as is. You can have a Creator but not have Creationism- that's basically what I was taught when raised as a Christian (Genesis is at least to some degree metaphorical or a remnant of an older faith, God was essentially the First Mover, we shouldn't disbelieve science, etc.). What you describe is more like Deism or Theism, where you believe in some sort of higher order intelligence behind the universe, but it's not incompatible with science and rationality and observation. You can't believe in both Creationism and evolution because Creationism is an explicit denial of evolution, and of anything but a literal reading of Genesis. But you're in good company, as you just described many/most of America's Founding Fathers, who today's Evangelicals would have lynched as heretics if they bothered to read their actual words rather than treat them as cartoon mascots for whatever they want to imagine America stands for at the moment.
- syndeo 7y ago
  Some Creationists believe in microevolution though, such as myself. I totally believe that different subspecies (or even species) have developed since the point I believe God created them, since the difference between species and subspecies can sometimes be blurry. E.G. different dog breeds can look so different from each other, yet can crossbreed without much issue. Cockatiels and cockatoos have even been shown to have crossbreeding potential, producing fascinatingly beautiful hybrids, even though they're technically different species. What I'm saying is that I'm a Christian Biblical Creationist that sees microevolution and natural selection as a feature, not a bug. It allows species to naturally adapt to different environments, or changes within the same environment.
  - beders 7y ago
    If you believe in microevolution, what do you think happens if "microevolution" continues for millenia? And why do all the creatures (you claim were created out of thin air) as if they had common ancestors? Both physiologically as well as genetically? To quote Dobzhansky: Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution. Why Evolution is True by Jerry Coyne might help you resolving that last part of the puzzle.
- rafaelvasco 7y ago
  Yeah makes total sense. I think in the end people mostly misinterpreted the Genesis part in the Bible, and most of it for that matter. My vision is one I grew after reading several texts of several sources and reflecting about them, not only traditional religious texts but more esoteric and occult texts about it. It's very interesting to see that they mostly complement one another. If you get an esoteric hermetic text or something about how creation occurred you see that it doesn't negate the Bible, and it doesn't negate Science at all. It just goes deeper and deeper, mostly using symbolism.
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mwfunk 7y ago

That's not Creationism though. Creationism really is, there is no evolution and everything was created as is. You can have a Creator but not have Creationism- that's basically what I was taught when raised as a Christian (Genesis is at least to some degree metaphorical or a remnant of an older faith, God was essentially the First Mover, we shouldn't disbelieve science, etc.). What you describe is more like Deism or Theism, where you believe in some sort of higher order intelligence behind the universe, but it's not incompatible with science and rationality and observation. You can't believe in both Creationism and evolution because Creationism is an explicit denial of evolution, and of anything but a literal reading of Genesis. But you're in good company, as you just described many/most of America's Founding Fathers, who today's Evangelicals would have lynched as heretics if they bothered to read their actual words rather than treat them as cartoon mascots for whatever they want to imagine America stands for at the moment.

syndeo 7y ago
Some Creationists believe in microevolution though, such as myself. I totally believe that different subspecies (or even species) have developed since the point I believe God created them, since the difference between species and subspecies can sometimes be blurry. E.G. different dog breeds can look so different from each other, yet can crossbreed without much issue. Cockatiels and cockatoos have even been shown to have crossbreeding potential, producing fascinatingly beautiful hybrids, even though they're technically different species. What I'm saying is that I'm a Christian Biblical Creationist that sees microevolution and natural selection as a feature, not a bug. It allows species to naturally adapt to different environments, or changes within the same environment.
- beders 7y ago
  If you believe in microevolution, what do you think happens if "microevolution" continues for millenia? And why do all the creatures (you claim were created out of thin air) as if they had common ancestors? Both physiologically as well as genetically? To quote Dobzhansky: Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution. Why Evolution is True by Jerry Coyne might help you resolving that last part of the puzzle.
rafaelvasco 7y ago
Yeah makes total sense. I think in the end people mostly misinterpreted the Genesis part in the Bible, and most of it for that matter. My vision is one I grew after reading several texts of several sources and reflecting about them, not only traditional religious texts but more esoteric and occult texts about it. It's very interesting to see that they mostly complement one another. If you get an esoteric hermetic text or something about how creation occurred you see that it doesn't negate the Bible, and it doesn't negate Science at all. It just goes deeper and deeper, mostly using symbolism.
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