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By that token, Europe should have gone to war with the US for spying on its very leaders — Angela Merkel, François Hollande, etc. (The Snowden revelations and t

by K0SM0S 7y ago

By that token, Europe should have gone to war with the US for spying on its very leaders — Angela Merkel, François Hollande, etc. (The Snowden revelations and the aftermath). I honestly don't see how the US could spin anything positively on the world stage in that regard, they are by far the worst offender as far as spying is concerned. It's not even funny to compare. And there is documentation that tech/trade secrets from foreign companies aquired by e.g. CIA or NSA was given to US companies — industrial espionage isn't exactly new or surprising, but when conducted by Federal Agencies above any control, responsibility or accountability to the US public, let alone the UN or the world... Your suggestion is disingenuous at best and, I'm sorry to say so, terribly blind to the reality of the world, wherein the US is certainly not an all around good guy. Especially these days, it's clearly a hostile power to most others. As seen from the EU, at least, I can't speak for other places/cultures. But I hear it's not that great in general.

syshum 7y ago
We need to get Federal Agencies accountable to the US Tax Payers, and be more transparent I 100% agree with that I 10000% disagree they should ever have any accountability to the UN or any other international body I also do not feel bad that they spied on Angela Merkel, I do care that they spied on US Citizens. Spying on Angela Merkel is constitutional and within their remit, Spying on US Citizens is Unconstitutional and not in their Remit
throwaway_tech 7y ago
>By that token, Europe should have gone to war with the US for spying on its very leaders Well not exactly. One was a state sponsored military act of cyber warfare that indiscriminately targeted an entire populace and infrastructure (i.e. a military infringed on the sovereignty of an entire nation state). The other was a targeted intelligence operation. >Your suggestion is disingenuous at best and, I'm sorry to say so, terribly blind to the reality of the world... Being from Europe I would assume you would be very familiar with the dangers of failing to act when one military infringes on the sovereignty of another. Though I guess we will see either China will continue hacking and escalate their hacking or they won't...if I were a betting man I would happily take you up on such a bet that China will continue and escalate its military hacking against all nation states.

by K0SM0S 7y ago

syshum 7y ago

We need to get Federal Agencies accountable to the US Tax Payers, and be more transparent I 100% agree with that I 10000% disagree they should ever have any accountability to the UN or any other international body I also do not feel bad that they spied on Angela Merkel, I do care that they spied on US Citizens. Spying on Angela Merkel is constitutional and within their remit, Spying on US Citizens is Unconstitutional and not in their Remit

throwaway_tech 7y ago

>By that token, Europe should have gone to war with the US for spying on its very leaders Well not exactly. One was a state sponsored military act of cyber warfare that indiscriminately targeted an entire populace and infrastructure (i.e. a military infringed on the sovereignty of an entire nation state). The other was a targeted intelligence operation. >Your suggestion is disingenuous at best and, I'm sorry to say so, terribly blind to the reality of the world... Being from Europe I would assume you would be very familiar with the dangers of failing to act when one military infringes on the sovereignty of another. Though I guess we will see either China will continue hacking and escalate their hacking or they won't...if I were a betting man I would happily take you up on such a bet that China will continue and escalate its military hacking against all nation states.