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I wonder how much content will end up simply as web apps and web sites and then it won't matter what platform the end user chooses. I've changed my focus from

I wonder how much content will end up simply as web apps and web sites and then it won't matter what platform the end user chooses. I've changed my focus from iOS to web because of Apple's policies.

chc 16y ago
I wish that were practical, but Web apps just don't measure up for a lot of domains. Personal example: I was recently toying with the idea of porting a design program to be a Web app, but even just getting very simple typography right is pretty intractable.
- coffeedrinker 16y ago
  Sure, not everything can be a web app, but a lot of the subscription world can easily be ported to web app, since the content will likely be delivered in HTML.
  - chc 16y ago
    If you're talking desktop, I agree, since the browser has become so pre-eminent there. But for mobile, Web apps are distinctly second-tier citizens. Just installing one on your home screen is voodoo beyond the ken of most iPhone users.
    - Bossman 16y ago
      It's not so bad on Android. And Google is very good at Web Apps. Try viewing the web app versions of gmail and such on your phone. They're not as full featured as the dedicated apps, but they work damn well. The big thing is making them look like real apps to the end user. No one wants to have to remember a bunch of web addresses. Something like what Chrome does on the PC is good...instead of a classic link shortcut for your desktop, it makes an "app" out of it. Giving it its own icon and name like any other program on the computer.
  - mryall 16y ago
    Interestingly, serving e-books over HTML would destroy the DRM models that Amazon and others have developed to "protect" their content. I can't see there being a Kindle web-based reader unless Amazon takes the same road as Apple with regard to DRM [1], and tells all their content providers to get on board. [1] http://www.apple.com/fr/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ http://www.apple.com/fr/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
    - fpgeek 16y ago
      http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000579091 http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000...
  - mambodog 16y ago
    Unless they want any kind of DRM.
    - Natsu 16y ago
      Why would you need DRM for a web app with a subscription model?
      - justincormack 16y ago
        To stop subscribers copying all the content and then unsubscribing. For services where most of the value is in the back catalogue this is a risk.
        Natsu 16y ago
        If that's all the value you're offering your users, DRM is the least of your problems. If it's that easy for users to exhaust the content they actually want, you're going to have problems with customer retention, not to mention customer acquisition.
mkramlich 16y ago
> I've changed my focus from iOS to web because of Apple's policies. Bingo! I leaned that way before as well. recent events just reinforced my decision to do the same. i've got one iOS native app in the pipeline for a startup client now. but it will hopefully be my last. there are just too many business ideas, too many features and experiences I can deliver quite satisfactorily as a desktop-friendly & mobile-friendly website, or on Android, to have to put up with this Nazi behavior on Apple's part anymore. i demand the ability to have whatever features I want, whatever content I want, do billing however I want, design my UI whatever way I think best, use whatever tools I want, and make new releases when and how I want, with no more bureaucracy, rituals or dumbass XCode quirks and mole-whacking. No more.
andyman1080 16y ago
good luck with that.

I wonder how much content will end up simply as web apps and web sites and then it won't matter what platform the end user chooses. I've changed my focus from iOS to web because of Apple's policies.

chc 16y ago

I wish that were practical, but Web apps just don't measure up for a lot of domains. Personal example: I was recently toying with the idea of porting a design program to be a Web app, but even just getting very simple typography right is pretty intractable.

coffeedrinker 16y ago
Sure, not everything can be a web app, but a lot of the subscription world can easily be ported to web app, since the content will likely be delivered in HTML.
- chc 16y ago
  If you're talking desktop, I agree, since the browser has become so pre-eminent there. But for mobile, Web apps are distinctly second-tier citizens. Just installing one on your home screen is voodoo beyond the ken of most iPhone users.
  - Bossman 16y ago
    It's not so bad on Android. And Google is very good at Web Apps. Try viewing the web app versions of gmail and such on your phone. They're not as full featured as the dedicated apps, but they work damn well. The big thing is making them look like real apps to the end user. No one wants to have to remember a bunch of web addresses. Something like what Chrome does on the PC is good...instead of a classic link shortcut for your desktop, it makes an "app" out of it. Giving it its own icon and name like any other program on the computer.
- mryall 16y ago
  Interestingly, serving e-books over HTML would destroy the DRM models that Amazon and others have developed to "protect" their content. I can't see there being a Kindle web-based reader unless Amazon takes the same road as Apple with regard to DRM [1], and tells all their content providers to get on board. [1] http://www.apple.com/fr/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ http://www.apple.com/fr/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
  - fpgeek 16y ago
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000579091 http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000...
- mambodog 16y ago
  Unless they want any kind of DRM.
  - Natsu 16y ago
    Why would you need DRM for a web app with a subscription model?
    - justincormack 16y ago
      To stop subscribers copying all the content and then unsubscribing. For services where most of the value is in the back catalogue this is a risk.
      - Natsu 16y ago
        If that's all the value you're offering your users, DRM is the least of your problems. If it's that easy for users to exhaust the content they actually want, you're going to have problems with customer retention, not to mention customer acquisition.

mkramlich 16y ago

> I've changed my focus from iOS to web because of Apple's policies. Bingo! I leaned that way before as well. recent events just reinforced my decision to do the same. i've got one iOS native app in the pipeline for a startup client now. but it will hopefully be my last. there are just too many business ideas, too many features and experiences I can deliver quite satisfactorily as a desktop-friendly & mobile-friendly website, or on Android, to have to put up with this Nazi behavior on Apple's part anymore. i demand the ability to have whatever features I want, whatever content I want, do billing however I want, design my UI whatever way I think best, use whatever tools I want, and make new releases when and how I want, with no more bureaucracy, rituals or dumbass XCode quirks and mole-whacking. No more.

andyman1080 16y ago

good luck with that.