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Is the alternative to bank robbing a top-down central-managed solution? No, we simply penalize the behavior. We could do the same and penalize exploitation by c

by dls2016 7y ago

Is the alternative to bank robbing a top-down central-managed solution? No, we simply penalize the behavior. We could do the same and penalize exploitation by corporations. Hold individuals accountable. Extreme fines. You may argue this would be complicated, but so is a lot of existing legislation surrounding international trade.

jp555 7y ago
Doesn't Tort do that already?
- dls2016 7y ago
  I actually don't know. This is based off my own observation of the set of things for which one can end up in jail. Once you really think about the things in that set (shoplifting vs. wage theft) it's impossible to believe the system isn't rigged. To be fair, governments and militaries have always been used to protect the interests of the wealthy. But evidence suggests things have changed radically for the worse since the 70s (in my US-centric view).
naravara 7y ago
>Is the alternative to bank robbing a top-down central-managed solution? No, we simply penalize the behavior. Penalizing the behavior sounds like a top-down solution to me. Government decides it's bad, then government sends the police to come get you if you do it.
- paulmd 7y ago
  Then that describes all regulation and "top down" is a meaningless standard. I dump some chromium waste on my property, pretty soon this "government" is saying it's bad and sending police to come get me saying that "the green goo is making people sick". I hate that top-down big gubmint telling me what I can and can't do! I refuse to employ black people, pretty soon there's a top-down big gubmint telling me that's "discriminatory" and "violates labor laws"! What's next, telling a man what he can and can't do with his own business!?
  - naravara 7y ago
    >Then that describes all regulation and "top down" is a meaningless standard. Yes. Regulation from a central source of authority is what a top-down model is. I'm not sure what your contention is here.
    - paulmd 7y ago
      Then "top down" is a widely deployed and not particularly notable model, such that it's not worth throwing a fit over.
TOGoS 7y ago
I won't say it would be 'complicated', because in theory that sounds very simple. In practice, powerful corporations have enough influence over the government that regulating them in that manner isn't possible without flipping the whole system on its head (i.e. removing the profit motive that drives monopolization and cost externalization).

jp555 7y ago

Doesn't Tort do that already?

dls2016 7y ago
I actually don't know. This is based off my own observation of the set of things for which one can end up in jail. Once you really think about the things in that set (shoplifting vs. wage theft) it's impossible to believe the system isn't rigged. To be fair, governments and militaries have always been used to protect the interests of the wealthy. But evidence suggests things have changed radically for the worse since the 70s (in my US-centric view).

naravara 7y ago

>Is the alternative to bank robbing a top-down central-managed solution? No, we simply penalize the behavior. Penalizing the behavior sounds like a top-down solution to me. Government decides it's bad, then government sends the police to come get you if you do it.

paulmd 7y ago
Then that describes all regulation and "top down" is a meaningless standard. I dump some chromium waste on my property, pretty soon this "government" is saying it's bad and sending police to come get me saying that "the green goo is making people sick". I hate that top-down big gubmint telling me what I can and can't do! I refuse to employ black people, pretty soon there's a top-down big gubmint telling me that's "discriminatory" and "violates labor laws"! What's next, telling a man what he can and can't do with his own business!?
- naravara 7y ago
  >Then that describes all regulation and "top down" is a meaningless standard. Yes. Regulation from a central source of authority is what a top-down model is. I'm not sure what your contention is here.
  - paulmd 7y ago
    Then "top down" is a widely deployed and not particularly notable model, such that it's not worth throwing a fit over.

TOGoS 7y ago

I won't say it would be 'complicated', because in theory that sounds very simple. In practice, powerful corporations have enough influence over the government that regulating them in that manner isn't possible without flipping the whole system on its head (i.e. removing the profit motive that drives monopolization and cost externalization).