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List of airlines that suspended flights to China. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-airlines-factbox/airlines-suspend-china-flights-because-of-cor

by divan 7y ago

List of airlines that suspended flights to China. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-airlines-factbox/airlines-suspend-china-flights-because-of-coronavirus-idUSKBN1ZU131 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-airlines-fac...

lisper 7y ago
But we have not been to China and we are not going to China. We were originally going to Hong Kong but that plan went out the window over a week ago. We have been denied entry to the Philippines, Taiwan, Viet Nam and Guam (despite the fact that our last landfall was in Guam). How many airlines have suspended service to those destinations?
- thinkingemote 7y ago
  Two thoughts the first is that quarantines work and the second is that restricting travel across borders do not. You are under quarantine firstly. As a consequence of this you are also being restricted with travel. A boat makes it very easy to do both. Generally closing borders are bad for the sentiments you give: it's unjust, I'm not infected. People will cross a closed border illegally and officials will not be able to know. If you had the opportunity you would leave, right? Open borders allow officials to track those coming in and if necessary quarantine them. Leaky borders have people actively avoiding quarantine and surveillance which could lead to much worse effects
  - lisper 7y ago
    > You are under quarantine. No, we're not. But even if we were, it would be a moot point. Taiwan, Philippines and Guam are closed to all cruise ships. But the airports are still open.
    - MR4D 7y ago
      Wait...you're NOT under quarantine? That's messed up. What were the start / destination ports?
      - lisper 7y ago
        We started in Guam. We have not made landfall since.
        lisper 7y ago
        Just in case anyone is still following this thread, this is the sort of insanity I'm referring to: https://www.businessinsider.com/westerdam-cruise-ship-denied-entry-five-ports-thailand-no-coronavirus-2020-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/westerdam-cruise-ship-denied... The Westerdam has been in effective quarantine for two weeks, no one on board has the virus, and they are STILL being refused permission to dock just because they came from Hong Kong. We are still en route to Singapore, scheduled to arrive this afternoon. No hint of anything more going awry for us so far, but I'm not going to count any chickens until I've cleared customs back home in the U.S.
        tim333 7y ago
        Glad they let you off in the end.
        lisper 7y ago
        I was actually not on the Westerdam, I was on the Crystal Symphony. We ended up disembarking in Singapore on Feb 12.
        ilestkempo 7y ago
        The Westerdam appeared to have someone that was infected when they were allowed to disembark (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/world/asia/coronavirus-cruise-americans.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/world/asia/coronavirus-cr...). I'm hoping this doesn't happen on the Crystal Symphony.
- royroyroys 7y ago
  Has anyone on board been to China in the last few weeks? Also with the H2H transmissions from Singapore (UK & Korea), it might become difficult to get back from Singapore if they go to Code Red.
  - tim333 7y ago
    heading Singapore tomorrow and hopefully the UK on the 17th...
- JCharante 7y ago
  But there are people on your ship who may have ncov2019 in it's incubation period. I don't see why it's necessary to risk the lives of our nation's elderly, who are very much loved, who are most at risk from these viruses. In addition while this viruses transmission to cats is unconfirmed unlike the h1n1 where it did happen, I also don't see why it's necessary to risk it. It just takes 1 person in the incubation period infecting someone else who frequents a cat cafe to devastate a community (and the cats would get a bunch of people sick as well). The US has a travel ban for foreigners who have been in China, but they also ask people to self quarantee if they've been in contact with those from areas where the virus is more widespread, which is everyone on your ship. It's unfortunate to be stuck on a ship and it's unfortunate that your captain didn't anticipate these measures.
  - lisper 7y ago
    Our last landfall was in Guam. The passengers who transited through Hong Kong embarked in Guam. They were admitted to the U.S. Technically, we are still in the U.S. So any U.S. travel ban is (or at least should be) irrelevant to our situation.

by divan 7y ago

lisper 7y ago

But we have not been to China and we are not going to China. We were originally going to Hong Kong but that plan went out the window over a week ago. We have been denied entry to the Philippines, Taiwan, Viet Nam and Guam (despite the fact that our last landfall was in Guam). How many airlines have suspended service to those destinations?

thinkingemote 7y ago
Two thoughts the first is that quarantines work and the second is that restricting travel across borders do not. You are under quarantine firstly. As a consequence of this you are also being restricted with travel. A boat makes it very easy to do both. Generally closing borders are bad for the sentiments you give: it's unjust, I'm not infected. People will cross a closed border illegally and officials will not be able to know. If you had the opportunity you would leave, right? Open borders allow officials to track those coming in and if necessary quarantine them. Leaky borders have people actively avoiding quarantine and surveillance which could lead to much worse effects
- lisper 7y ago
  > You are under quarantine. No, we're not. But even if we were, it would be a moot point. Taiwan, Philippines and Guam are closed to all cruise ships. But the airports are still open.
  - MR4D 7y ago
    Wait...you're NOT under quarantine? That's messed up. What were the start / destination ports?
    - lisper 7y ago
      We started in Guam. We have not made landfall since.
      - lisper 7y ago
        Just in case anyone is still following this thread, this is the sort of insanity I'm referring to: https://www.businessinsider.com/westerdam-cruise-ship-denied-entry-five-ports-thailand-no-coronavirus-2020-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/westerdam-cruise-ship-denied... The Westerdam has been in effective quarantine for two weeks, no one on board has the virus, and they are STILL being refused permission to dock just because they came from Hong Kong. We are still en route to Singapore, scheduled to arrive this afternoon. No hint of anything more going awry for us so far, but I'm not going to count any chickens until I've cleared customs back home in the U.S.
        tim333 7y ago
        Glad they let you off in the end.
        lisper 7y ago
        I was actually not on the Westerdam, I was on the Crystal Symphony. We ended up disembarking in Singapore on Feb 12.
        ilestkempo 7y ago
        The Westerdam appeared to have someone that was infected when they were allowed to disembark (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/world/asia/coronavirus-cruise-americans.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/world/asia/coronavirus-cr...). I'm hoping this doesn't happen on the Crystal Symphony.
royroyroys 7y ago
Has anyone on board been to China in the last few weeks? Also with the H2H transmissions from Singapore (UK & Korea), it might become difficult to get back from Singapore if they go to Code Red.
- tim333 7y ago
  heading Singapore tomorrow and hopefully the UK on the 17th...
JCharante 7y ago
But there are people on your ship who may have ncov2019 in it's incubation period. I don't see why it's necessary to risk the lives of our nation's elderly, who are very much loved, who are most at risk from these viruses. In addition while this viruses transmission to cats is unconfirmed unlike the h1n1 where it did happen, I also don't see why it's necessary to risk it. It just takes 1 person in the incubation period infecting someone else who frequents a cat cafe to devastate a community (and the cats would get a bunch of people sick as well). The US has a travel ban for foreigners who have been in China, but they also ask people to self quarantee if they've been in contact with those from areas where the virus is more widespread, which is everyone on your ship. It's unfortunate to be stuck on a ship and it's unfortunate that your captain didn't anticipate these measures.
- lisper 7y ago
  Our last landfall was in Guam. The passengers who transited through Hong Kong embarked in Guam. They were admitted to the U.S. Technically, we are still in the U.S. So any U.S. travel ban is (or at least should be) irrelevant to our situation.