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> I bet the US situation is also repsonsible for the carrier vetting of all(?) OS upgrades. Doesn't make any sense either. I doubt carriers vetting os upgrades

> I bet the US situation is also repsonsible for the carrier vetting of all(?) OS upgrades. Doesn't make any sense either. I doubt carriers vetting os upgrades is something that they do just for fun. One, users often hold the carrier directly responsible when things don't work correctly on their network or device. Besides that, I'm sure there are other concerns or factors we may not be aware of.

tialaramex 7y ago
If you try hard enough you can always imagine "factors we may not be aware of" to explain differences from the rest of the world that are in fact just caused by US policy. You'll see that with gun deaths, healthcare costs, a host of problems. The carriers "vetting" upgrades weren't doing any actual work, it's just a shakedown. Nice phone OS you have there, shame if critical updates were... delayed.
- bestnameever 7y ago
  > The carriers "vetting" upgrades weren't doing any actual work, it's just a shakedown. Nice phone OS you have there, shame if critical updates were... delayed. The carriers do in fact test the releases prior to them being released. I'm not sure if the carriers have to pay the manufactures to provide the release but I would not be surprised if that is the case. > If you try hard enough you can always imagine "factors we may not be aware of" to explain differences from the rest of the world that are in fact just caused by US policy. It is not clear to me that this has anything to do with US policy as many manufacturers IIRC provide different carriers with different updates and at different times, not just in the us, but around the world. I really don't think either you or myself are qualified to say one way or the other...unless that is you have experience on the business side of running one of these large mobile networks. Having said that, I don't think one has to think very hard to see a reason for requiring testing..one reason might just be liability.
  - lotsofpulp 7y ago
    You don’t need to run a large mobile network to observe that being cut out of the loop results in fewer profits. Carriers were in position to get a cut of all “app” and ringtone sales and whatnot. Being a gatekeeper offered tremendous profit potential that Apple took away. Nobody wants to be a dumb commoditized data pipe.
- tracker1 7y ago
  ... right to repair opposition...

tialaramex 7y ago

If you try hard enough you can always imagine "factors we may not be aware of" to explain differences from the rest of the world that are in fact just caused by US policy. You'll see that with gun deaths, healthcare costs, a host of problems. The carriers "vetting" upgrades weren't doing any actual work, it's just a shakedown. Nice phone OS you have there, shame if critical updates were... delayed.

bestnameever 7y ago
> The carriers "vetting" upgrades weren't doing any actual work, it's just a shakedown. Nice phone OS you have there, shame if critical updates were... delayed. The carriers do in fact test the releases prior to them being released. I'm not sure if the carriers have to pay the manufactures to provide the release but I would not be surprised if that is the case. > If you try hard enough you can always imagine "factors we may not be aware of" to explain differences from the rest of the world that are in fact just caused by US policy. It is not clear to me that this has anything to do with US policy as many manufacturers IIRC provide different carriers with different updates and at different times, not just in the us, but around the world. I really don't think either you or myself are qualified to say one way or the other...unless that is you have experience on the business side of running one of these large mobile networks. Having said that, I don't think one has to think very hard to see a reason for requiring testing..one reason might just be liability.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  You don’t need to run a large mobile network to observe that being cut out of the loop results in fewer profits. Carriers were in position to get a cut of all “app” and ringtone sales and whatnot. Being a gatekeeper offered tremendous profit potential that Apple took away. Nobody wants to be a dumb commoditized data pipe.
tracker1 7y ago
... right to repair opposition...