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You don't ever remotely log into your desktop??! What do you do if you've left files on your desktop at home/work and need them from work/home?

by nullc 7y ago

candiddevmike 7y ago
In theory with homed you can just keep all of those files (home directory) on a share or USB drive and access them anywhere. Im personally curious to see how this works with a tool like Syncthing
- nullc 7y ago
  gee great, more unnecessary shoving everything into the "cloud"-- just to make sure that users have absolutely no due process protection for the confidentiality of their data. Microsoft and Google do this because they make money out of monetizing their users. What's systemd's excuse? As far as USB goes-- can you suggest a currently manufactured _good_ usb storage device? I've found myself scrounging for old ones because anything currently made are unreliable, slow (in spite of amazing performance claims), or usually both.
  - ta999999171 7y ago
    > Microsoft and Google do this because they make money out of monetizing their users. What's systemd's excuse? Who do you think is putting the resources (manhours/money/etc) into mainlining this crap into Linux? It's the corps. Add Intel to the list.
  - viraptor 7y ago
    > gee great, more unnecessary shoving everything into the "cloud"-- just to make sure that users have absolutely no due process protection for the confidentiality of their data. This doesn't really make sense as a response to comment mentioning Syncthing which works with any backend, including your other machines. > What's systemd's excuse? Systemd's excuse for what exactly?
    - guerrilla 7y ago
      > shoving everything into the "cloud"
      - viraptor 7y ago
        What's "everything" and got does it it try to shove it into the cloud?
nickik 7y ago
If you want to weaken your security then that's what you want to do. Then just don't use it. And also, this is just the default, the mechanism is general, how to do this unlocking can be done in many ways by other people who want to use these tools.
crazy_hombre 7y ago
You know you don't HAVE to use systemd-homed right? If it doesn't fit your use case, just keep doing what you're doing right now.
- ColanR 7y ago
  Why do people keep saying this? I don't see any reason to believe this won't come default in e.g. Ubuntu in the future, and it feels disingenuous for people to claim this is a permanently optional feature.
- throw0101a 7y ago
  > You know you don't HAVE to use systemd-homed right? For now. Until GNOME pulls it in as a dependency.
0xffff2 7y ago
>You don't ever remotely log into your desktop??! Is this really so common as to deserved two questions marks and an exclamation point? As one datapoint, if I've left files on my desktop at home that I need from work, I get fired.
- Asooka 7y ago
  Yes? How else am I supposed to access my workstation remotely? Right now I just log in to the company VPN and ssh to my workstation when I need to do work from home. Remote access is a basic feature that has just worked on Linux since as far back as I can remember. And I remember when I had to twiddle the TV antenna to get good signal.
  - 0xffff2 7y ago
    Obviously we live in very different worlds. I am not supposed to access my workstation remotely. Again, if I managed to do it I would be fired.
    - IcePic 7y ago
      But that is policy and nothing technical.
- catalogia 7y ago
  I often log into my media server in my apartment to start a movie or tv show playing with mpv. Is that reasonable? I think that's a reasonable usecase. mpv is a perfectly suitable media player, and ssh is a perfectly suitable way to log into a computer. Why shouldn't I do this? Is it what most "normal people" do? Of course not! Most normal people buy a spyware 'smart TV', roku, or some other proprietary appliance. So why the hell should the common habits of the general population be considered? If their habits are to be the guiding principle of the linux desktop, I'll soon have no reason to use the linux desktop. Incidentally at one of my former (FANG) workplaces, each developer was given a RHEL workstation and a windows or mac laptop. Using ssh from one's laptop to access the workstation while in meetings, working from home (including oncall in the middle of the night), etc was common and permitted. This is not as crazy as you seem to think.

You don't ever remotely log into your desktop??! What do you do if you've left files on your desktop at home/work and need them from work/home?

by nullc 7y ago

You don't ever remotely log into your desktop??! What do you do if you've left files on your desktop at home/work and need them from work/home?

candiddevmike 7y ago

In theory with homed you can just keep all of those files (home directory) on a share or USB drive and access them anywhere. Im personally curious to see how this works with a tool like Syncthing

nullc 7y ago
gee great, more unnecessary shoving everything into the "cloud"-- just to make sure that users have absolutely no due process protection for the confidentiality of their data. Microsoft and Google do this because they make money out of monetizing their users. What's systemd's excuse? As far as USB goes-- can you suggest a currently manufactured _good_ usb storage device? I've found myself scrounging for old ones because anything currently made are unreliable, slow (in spite of amazing performance claims), or usually both.
- ta999999171 7y ago
  > Microsoft and Google do this because they make money out of monetizing their users. What's systemd's excuse? Who do you think is putting the resources (manhours/money/etc) into mainlining this crap into Linux? It's the corps. Add Intel to the list.
- viraptor 7y ago
  > gee great, more unnecessary shoving everything into the "cloud"-- just to make sure that users have absolutely no due process protection for the confidentiality of their data. This doesn't really make sense as a response to comment mentioning Syncthing which works with any backend, including your other machines. > What's systemd's excuse? Systemd's excuse for what exactly?
  - guerrilla 7y ago
    > shoving everything into the "cloud"
    - viraptor 7y ago
      What's "everything" and got does it it try to shove it into the cloud?

nickik 7y ago

If you want to weaken your security then that's what you want to do. Then just don't use it. And also, this is just the default, the mechanism is general, how to do this unlocking can be done in many ways by other people who want to use these tools.

crazy_hombre 7y ago

You know you don't HAVE to use systemd-homed right? If it doesn't fit your use case, just keep doing what you're doing right now.

ColanR 7y ago
Why do people keep saying this? I don't see any reason to believe this won't come default in e.g. Ubuntu in the future, and it feels disingenuous for people to claim this is a permanently optional feature.
throw0101a 7y ago
> You know you don't HAVE to use systemd-homed right? For now. Until GNOME pulls it in as a dependency.

0xffff2 7y ago

>You don't ever remotely log into your desktop??! Is this really so common as to deserved two questions marks and an exclamation point? As one datapoint, if I've left files on my desktop at home that I need from work, I get fired.

Asooka 7y ago
Yes? How else am I supposed to access my workstation remotely? Right now I just log in to the company VPN and ssh to my workstation when I need to do work from home. Remote access is a basic feature that has just worked on Linux since as far back as I can remember. And I remember when I had to twiddle the TV antenna to get good signal.
- 0xffff2 7y ago
  Obviously we live in very different worlds. I am not supposed to access my workstation remotely. Again, if I managed to do it I would be fired.
  - IcePic 7y ago
    But that is policy and nothing technical.
catalogia 7y ago
I often log into my media server in my apartment to start a movie or tv show playing with mpv. Is that reasonable? I think that's a reasonable usecase. mpv is a perfectly suitable media player, and ssh is a perfectly suitable way to log into a computer. Why shouldn't I do this? Is it what most "normal people" do? Of course not! Most normal people buy a spyware 'smart TV', roku, or some other proprietary appliance. So why the hell should the common habits of the general population be considered? If their habits are to be the guiding principle of the linux desktop, I'll soon have no reason to use the linux desktop. Incidentally at one of my former (FANG) workplaces, each developer was given a RHEL workstation and a windows or mac laptop. Using ssh from one's laptop to access the workstation while in meetings, working from home (including oncall in the middle of the night), etc was common and permitted. This is not as crazy as you seem to think.