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any reason for choosing ubuntu over arch for personal computers? Or any rolling release distro for that matter

mehrdadn 7y ago
Python packages don't install on /usr/local on Arch which makes it easy to wreck your installation, many projects and scripts out there only support Ubuntu and not Arch, etc. And I say this as an Arch fan who would rather avoid Ubuntu...
- rmdashrfstar 7y ago
  virtualenv?
  - mehrdadn 7y ago
    Before I try to respond, you have to ask yourself: what do you imagine is the reason why Ubuntu folks have gone out of their way to patch Python for /usr/local? Surely it's not out of ignorance for virtualenv?
- gchamonlive 7y ago
  interesting, I never looked where the python aur packages were installed
  - mehrdadn 7y ago
    This isn't AUR-specific, it's an issue that comes up with sudo pip install.
    - gchamonlive 7y ago
      pip with sudo is always discouraged. Did you encounter use cases that absolutely requires you to install packages with `sudo pip`?
      - mehrdadn 7y ago
        I don't even encounter use cases that "absolutely require" me to use Arch in the first place.
        gchamonlive 7y ago
        I assume no then, so just stop misusing python package manager and stop blaming distros for it
        mehrdadn 7y ago
        You can assume whatever you want, and I'm not blaming anyone, just telling you what reasons people have for using one distro over the other. You're arguing with the wrong person for the wrong reason.
        gchamonlive 7y ago
        Sorry I came down to arguing like that, but I really honestly wanted to know what problems there were with the scenario you proposed. I am in devops and those are the kind of nuances I need to account for. That I why I asked for examples and felt your answer was condescending. But anyways, I can see from this thread that asking questions is somewhat frowned upon here, when the question itself is of a nature that displeases people, so I'll refrain from participating like this in the future.
SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
Ubuntu takes all of about 10 minutes to install a full blown desktop and Just Works™ based on my recent experience. Not to take anything away from the amazing tweakability and customizability of Arch, but the target audience is completely different.
- gchamonlive 7y ago
  I use the anarchy distro to help me through the installation. It doesn't change the fact you need to understand the underlying installation process, but reduces the installation time to several minutes. There is also arco linux for a more user-friendly interface
- literallycancer 7y ago
  The out of the box crowd can always use Manjaro.
gchamonlive 7y ago
really folks, I know the downvote system is useful, but on a question? I mean, I have to know the answer beforehand so I don't get downvoted? I am really tempted not to use this platform anymore
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  Downvoters are aggressive here yes. It's a shame, though your question isn't particularly pertinent to this article. Kind of a double-edged sword that keeps the discussion on target.

Python packages don't install on /usr/local on Arch which makes it easy to wreck your installation, many projects and scripts out there only support Ubuntu and not Arch, etc. And I say this as an Arch fan who would rather avoid Ubuntu...

rmdashrfstar 7y ago
virtualenv?
- mehrdadn 7y ago
  Before I try to respond, you have to ask yourself: what do you imagine is the reason why Ubuntu folks have gone out of their way to patch Python for /usr/local? Surely it's not out of ignorance for virtualenv?
gchamonlive 7y ago
interesting, I never looked where the python aur packages were installed
- mehrdadn 7y ago
  This isn't AUR-specific, it's an issue that comes up with sudo pip install.
  - gchamonlive 7y ago
    pip with sudo is always discouraged. Did you encounter use cases that absolutely requires you to install packages with `sudo pip`?
    - mehrdadn 7y ago
      I don't even encounter use cases that "absolutely require" me to use Arch in the first place.
      - gchamonlive 7y ago
        I assume no then, so just stop misusing python package manager and stop blaming distros for it
        mehrdadn 7y ago
        You can assume whatever you want, and I'm not blaming anyone, just telling you what reasons people have for using one distro over the other. You're arguing with the wrong person for the wrong reason.
        gchamonlive 7y ago
        Sorry I came down to arguing like that, but I really honestly wanted to know what problems there were with the scenario you proposed. I am in devops and those are the kind of nuances I need to account for. That I why I asked for examples and felt your answer was condescending. But anyways, I can see from this thread that asking questions is somewhat frowned upon here, when the question itself is of a nature that displeases people, so I'll refrain from participating like this in the future.

SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago

Ubuntu takes all of about 10 minutes to install a full blown desktop and Just Works™ based on my recent experience. Not to take anything away from the amazing tweakability and customizability of Arch, but the target audience is completely different.

gchamonlive 7y ago
I use the anarchy distro to help me through the installation. It doesn't change the fact you need to understand the underlying installation process, but reduces the installation time to several minutes. There is also arco linux for a more user-friendly interface
literallycancer 7y ago
The out of the box crowd can always use Manjaro.

gchamonlive 7y ago

really folks, I know the downvote system is useful, but on a question? I mean, I have to know the answer beforehand so I don't get downvoted? I am really tempted not to use this platform anymore

mixmastamyk 7y ago
Downvoters are aggressive here yes. It's a shame, though your question isn't particularly pertinent to this article. Kind of a double-edged sword that keeps the discussion on target.