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Also with easier immigration, Canada’s talent pool will only get better. Already the US is losing people to Canada due to overly restrictive immigration laws. I

Also with easier immigration, Canada’s talent pool will only get better. Already the US is losing people to Canada due to overly restrictive immigration laws. I’ve even heard immigration offices offering to help with Canadian immigration on the radio in the SF Bay https://www.csmonitor.com/EqualEd/2019/0304/Go-north-young-grad.-How-Canada-is-winning-over-international-students https://www.csmonitor.com/EqualEd/2019/0304/Go-north-young-g... https://movnorth.com/ https://movnorth.com/

GhostVII 7y ago
I think Canada is losing far more people to the US than the other way around, at least at the higher end of the market. Canadian salaries just aren't competitive at that level.
- wbl 7y ago
  Why not?
- deleted 7y ago
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- thinkloop 7y ago
  The US is the NBA, the stars definitely do go there. A pretty good life strategy is to work in the states from 30-45 while you're young and healthy, then come back to Canada for peace and safety to raise your family. I've seen a few people do that. I'm not sure it ends up being that bad for Canada. On the one hand they lose stars during their productive years, on the other hand they come back during their spending years with more money/knowledge/sophistication than they would have had.
  - mav3rick 7y ago
    Most of these people don't create jobs when they move back. So yes, it is bad for Canada.
    - blululu 7y ago
      Create a business != create jobs. A large infusion of outside capital will boost a local economy. They will own homes and buy things from local merchants which will create jobs.
      - mav3rick 7y ago
        That is still lesser than the impact of entrepreneurs abroad. Ask the Canadian govt what they would prefer and it won't be suburban families. Canada will always be 2nd in technology.
zozbot234 7y ago
Yes, Canada's bet on skilled immigration is really smart of them, and it's a neat way of side-stepping the usual social tensions that we hear about wrt. "anti-immigrant" sentiment from socially marginalized or low-income natives.
- ericmay 7y ago
  Why does Canada always get a pass on this but the US doesn’t? (This being points-based skilled immigration)
  - mynegation 7y ago
    Canada also runs separate refugee immigration program. Also: the advantage of not having too many illegal immigrants coming through the border and having to make decisions when they and their children put roots in the country.
    - addicted 7y ago
      The US has so much land and so much economic capacity to add people (most of those people are already in the economic system so the US will have more trouble removing them than legalizing them) that the current illegal immigrants are not an issue at all. The US obviously needs to get better control of the borders (which it has for the past decade) but the only sensible, economically effective and not to mention humane way to deal with people already here is to provide them with legal status so they don’t remain an unprotected and therefore cheaper competitor for jobs.
  - chx 7y ago
    It's because of things like https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/help-outside-canada/private-sponsorship-program/groups-five.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... So while there certainly is a skilled worker immigration path, if you are accepted by the board as a refugee, you will be met with help and kindness. And even while waiting, we do not separate kids from you and put them in cages. And we accept the most refugees in the world: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48696974 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48696974
mattkrause 7y ago
The immigration process itself has gotten appreciably worse though. A few years ago, it took me fifteen minutes to renew a Work Permit at the border. Last year, it was an intentionally unpleasant all-day affair. The online system is horrifically backlogged, far beyond the 100 or so days it says on the website.

GhostVII 7y ago

I think Canada is losing far more people to the US than the other way around, at least at the higher end of the market. Canadian salaries just aren't competitive at that level.

wbl 7y ago
Why not?
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thinkloop 7y ago
The US is the NBA, the stars definitely do go there. A pretty good life strategy is to work in the states from 30-45 while you're young and healthy, then come back to Canada for peace and safety to raise your family. I've seen a few people do that. I'm not sure it ends up being that bad for Canada. On the one hand they lose stars during their productive years, on the other hand they come back during their spending years with more money/knowledge/sophistication than they would have had.
- mav3rick 7y ago
  Most of these people don't create jobs when they move back. So yes, it is bad for Canada.
  - blululu 7y ago
    Create a business != create jobs. A large infusion of outside capital will boost a local economy. They will own homes and buy things from local merchants which will create jobs.
    - mav3rick 7y ago
      That is still lesser than the impact of entrepreneurs abroad. Ask the Canadian govt what they would prefer and it won't be suburban families. Canada will always be 2nd in technology.

zozbot234 7y ago

Yes, Canada's bet on skilled immigration is really smart of them, and it's a neat way of side-stepping the usual social tensions that we hear about wrt. "anti-immigrant" sentiment from socially marginalized or low-income natives.

ericmay 7y ago
Why does Canada always get a pass on this but the US doesn’t? (This being points-based skilled immigration)
- mynegation 7y ago
  Canada also runs separate refugee immigration program. Also: the advantage of not having too many illegal immigrants coming through the border and having to make decisions when they and their children put roots in the country.
  - addicted 7y ago
    The US has so much land and so much economic capacity to add people (most of those people are already in the economic system so the US will have more trouble removing them than legalizing them) that the current illegal immigrants are not an issue at all. The US obviously needs to get better control of the borders (which it has for the past decade) but the only sensible, economically effective and not to mention humane way to deal with people already here is to provide them with legal status so they don’t remain an unprotected and therefore cheaper competitor for jobs.
- chx 7y ago
  It's because of things like https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/help-outside-canada/private-sponsorship-program/groups-five.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... So while there certainly is a skilled worker immigration path, if you are accepted by the board as a refugee, you will be met with help and kindness. And even while waiting, we do not separate kids from you and put them in cages. And we accept the most refugees in the world: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48696974 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48696974

mattkrause 7y ago

The immigration process itself has gotten appreciably worse though. A few years ago, it took me fifteen minutes to renew a Work Permit at the border. Last year, it was an intentionally unpleasant all-day affair. The online system is horrifically backlogged, far beyond the 100 or so days it says on the website.