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It is always cheap labor. Same with Taiwan. Doesn’t say much about the country itself.
by mgh2 7y ago
It is always cheap labor. Same with Taiwan. Doesn’t say much about the country itself.
- tanilama 7y agoOr Bay Area cost is out-of-reach even for Google
- chrisseaton 7y agoCheap? These Canadian cities? The cost of living is insane and tech hiring competition is already intense. It’s not going to be cheap to hire anyone there.
- jessriedel 7y agoSoftware engineer salaries are significantly lower than in the US. > The median Canadian “Software Engineer” salary is CA$72,000. The median US salary is US$91,000.... The cost of living in Vancouver is about 4.8% higher than Austin. While the median Software Engineer salary in Austin is 40% higher than Vancouver when accounting for the exchange rate. https://medium.com/@sprice/more-canadian-software-engineers-should-work-remotely-c69f52c746d4 https://medium.com/@sprice/more-canadian-software-engineers-...
- ajayyy 7y agoDepends on the city. But yes, that's why so many people leave
- smnrchrds 7y agoAs an aside, I passionately hate that graph. It implies that Canadian tech salaries are abnormally low. I wish it was either showing just the US, or included more countries than just US and Canada. Had they included London, Sydney, Berlin, Amsterdam, etc. in the graph, it would have showed that Canadian salaries are in line with and towards the higher end of world salaries except US, and that US salaries are a huge outlier in the world stage.
- starky 7y agoSure you could add other cities, but the result of the graph is the same for Canadians. We are getting absolutely hosed on salary considering that nearly everything (minus housing) in Canada is pegged to the US dollar. It makes it really hard to attract talent when someone looking for a job could move 4 hours south and make 50-100% more money to have more purchasing power. Other countries being similar to our level doesn't change this fact, they are also being screwed over in purchasing power, but they at least have some insulation from being directly dependent on the US.
- wolco 7y agoAdd in the 50% taxes it really makes things very expensive.
- 52-6F-62 7y agoWe don’t pay 50% in tax... Even at the higher income scales
- yellowait44 7y agoFederal higher income bracket is not 50% but you have to factor the province as well so yeah well above 50% in Quebec for instance.
- smnrchrds 7y agoI mean, you are technically correct. If you earn more than approximately 800k in Quebec, you would pay about 50% of your income in taxes. But how many people earn remotely that much? Is this really a concern for us mere mortals?
- yellowait44 7y agoAverage tax of 50% is pretty hard to hit you are right but I was more pointing at marginal tax rate which is what most people refer to when they say Canadian income tax are high. Just check the CRA tax brackets and add in the Revenu Quebec tax bracket for instance.
- chrisseaton 7y agoThat’s just less than astronomically expensive not cheap. If they were after cheap they’d go to Berlin or London - that’s cheaper than Canadian cities for cost of labour.
- jessriedel 7y agoEach company faces different constraints, and in particular there can be downsides going to Europe that don't exist for Canada, e.g., language, timezone, regulations, travel costs, culture.) A sandwich in Ohio is reasonably called "cheap" when I've been living in NYC, and I don't feel the need to say "but it would be really cheap in rural India".
- ehsankia 7y agoIndeed, Toronto is more expensive than most places Google has an office in, except Bay Area itself and maybe NY.
- paxys 7y agoYes cost of living is insane but market rate salaries for top tier software developers in cities like Vancouver or Toronto is 40-50% cheaper than Silicon Valley.