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> A simple example of this is the ridiculous concentration of tech and aerospace companies inside of a zone that requires almost everyone to use the 405 freeway
by adjkant 7y ago
> A simple example of this is the ridiculous concentration of tech and aerospace companies inside of a zone that requires almost everyone to use the 405 freeway.
That's a reason why mass transit in LA doesn't work now, not how it came to be that way.
You seemed to have stopped reading before I literally said the current problem was zoning and building (aka urban planning). I lived in LA myself and have felt the length of a trip taking the expo line all the way in/out and how it isn't a viable commute. The sprawl of LA renders the bus system nearly useless as well.
> Sorry, this is false. Los Angeles simply didn't evolve to favor public transportation in the way a lot of European cities have.
> So, no, car companies have nothing whatsoever to do with it. It's about urban planning and design.
Urban planning doesn't exist in isolation, it is shaped by those in power at the time, in every city. The motor industry absolutely was a power player that had a vested interest in pushing urban planning towards a vision of a city that meant cars coming in from suburbs instead of dense urban areas where public transit would actually be effective. LA is not alone in this within the US. Of course they weren't the only factor, a good example being white flight hitting cities pretty hard as well. But to say the car industry was not involved is 100% false.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp...
> Between 1938 and 1950, National City Lines and its subsidiaries, American City Lines and Pacific City Lines—with investment from GM, Firestone Tire, Standard Oil of California (through a subsidiary), Federal Engineering, Phillips Petroleum, and Mack Trucks—gained control of additional transit systems in about 25 cities.[3] Systems included St. Louis, Baltimore, Los Angeles, and Oakland.
- robomartin 7y ago> You seemed to have stopped reading before I literally said the current problem was zoning and building (aka urban planning). You are absolutely correct. Sorry. That was dumb. Yeah, not sure who comes up with the idea of tossing everything within the same 5 square miles (or whatever) and expecting life to be great. Check out this document I found on LA transportation history, interesting. https://media.metro.net/projects_studies/crenshaw/images/presentation_crenshawlax_2014-09.pdf https://media.metro.net/projects_studies/crenshaw/images/pre...
- adjkant 7y agoI mean city life isn't for everyone but I personally love dense urban cities and you can 100% have a great QOL there, especially when well designed. I live in NYC and would point to Lisbon, Paris, Copenhagen, Budapest, and Amsterdam among others. A lot of the negatives that can come with dense urban areas are bad execution that can sometimes even be fixed within one city. Montreal for example does a great job solving for lack of green space. I love cities for availability of so many things quickly, diverse people and cultures that can only really be accomplished with large numbers of people, large social pools, high arts density, public transit so no need for a car, etc. If you're looking for a large space to live in, a backyard, lots of nature, then most cities won't hit that. Just depends on values but neither is wrong.
- robomartin 7y agoI love cities like NYC, London, Amsterdam, Buenos Aires and others. Los Angeles is very different. The ideas that work elsewhere don’t work here, which is a darn shame.