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Appears to be powered by Bing. The search results are nearly identical. More importantly snippets for each site are identical, which is the real giveaway.

greglindahl 7y ago
Yep. A lot of folks appear to be pretty confused about retail search engines verses the actual index -- Google, Bing, and (at lower quality) Yandex are the only viable English-language search indices right now. Almost every search box you find on the Internets is powered by one of the three.
- abtinf 7y ago
  > Google, Bing, and (at lower quality) Yandex are the only And DuckDuckGo.
  - kick 7y ago
    DuckDuckGo is just a metacrawler. Depending on the search, it uses either Yandex or Bing.
    - wolco 7y ago
      Doesn't it maintain it's own index on certain terms based on user actions/feedback that changes the bing results resulted? I thought there was an improvement feedback loop.
      - kick 7y ago
        That doesn't seem to be the case; the only reason they use r.duckduckgo.com is for redirecting without the REFERER according to their docs, so there doesn't seem to be a way for them to do that.
    - codesections 7y ago
      According to DuckDuckGo, > To do that, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from multiple partners, though most commonly from Bing (and none from Google). Do you view that as misleading/incorrect?
      - jhoechtl 7y ago
        Yes, as we know nothing about the percentage of traffic which is coming from google, bing or any of the remaining 398 ressources. I can only assume the contribution is abysmal, given the almight of the one trully.
      - wongarsu 7y ago
        I read that as "Over four hundred sources for instant answers (the big box at the top) etc. What you usually think of as search results ("traditional links") comes from multiple partners, mostly from Bing (and never from Google, which only leaves Yandex and niche providers)". That fits well with what GP claimed.
  - plapetomain 7y ago
    No. Ddg gets most of its index from bing.
- pythux 7y ago
  Did You check Cliqz already? Independent search index: https://beta.cliqz.com/ https://beta.cliqz.com/ There is a lot of technical details about how it’s built on the tech blog: https://0x65.dev/ https://0x65.dev/ (Disclaimer: I work at Cliqz)
  - pmontra 7y ago
    I've been using your service as my main search engine on desktop and phone for more than one month (I made an xml file to load it as search engine.) It's okish but not very good at dealing with misspelling, with news and with images. Sometimes I touch the Google button at the end of the page to find what I'm looking for. I hope you keep track of the keywords that go to Google and use them to improve your index. Anyway, it's a good service, thank you.
    - __ka 7y ago
      Hey, thanks for using Cliqz. We're working hard on improvements for each one of the things you mentioned (in that order as well) - so things will definitely get much smoother over the next couple of months.
  - busymom0 7y ago
    Maybe unrelated but what are the server costs and hardware used etc for such a thing?
  - jefftk 7y ago
    I looked at Cliqz a few months ago, and the crawl didn't seem competitive with Google or Bing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21676600 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21676600
    - jhoechtl 7y ago
      You mean they are not as competitive as a billion dollar company 20 years in business?
      - 7y ago
- dna_polymerase 7y ago
  Qwant has their own index (or atleast parts) IIRC.
- tmpAa 7y ago
  SwissCows has its own indexer and I believe they don't rely on any external search source like Bing. They should push for better marketing, less nationalism & better UI like duckduckgo and they would go pretty far imo, their results are often better than DDG edit : my bad, actually they do use Bing in addition to their own crawler
- kristopolous 7y ago
  Yacy. Legendary yacy. Still around. Also gigablast
cromulent 7y ago
Yeah, they say they are powered by Yahoo, which is powered by Bing. https://info.lycos.com/about/contact-us/ https://info.lycos.com/about/contact-us/
eitland 7y ago
That sounds weird unless either - it is only part of the story like with ddg - or Bing has improved a lot lately - or for some reason I've been extremely biased against Bing I just tested it and the results were way better than I would expect from Bing.
- eitland 7y ago
  I just tested a bit more. Here is what I think I saw (safari, iOS): - bing has improved and is now usable, maybe even pleasant to use compared to Google. - the results between Bing, DuckDuckGo an Lycos were kind of similar, but not exactly similar - autocomplete was much better on Bing - I actually enjoyed the way certain search results were displayed in Bing

greglindahl 7y ago

Yep. A lot of folks appear to be pretty confused about retail search engines verses the actual index -- Google, Bing, and (at lower quality) Yandex are the only viable English-language search indices right now. Almost every search box you find on the Internets is powered by one of the three.

abtinf 7y ago
> Google, Bing, and (at lower quality) Yandex are the only And DuckDuckGo.
- kick 7y ago
  DuckDuckGo is just a metacrawler. Depending on the search, it uses either Yandex or Bing.
  - wolco 7y ago
    Doesn't it maintain it's own index on certain terms based on user actions/feedback that changes the bing results resulted? I thought there was an improvement feedback loop.
    - kick 7y ago
      That doesn't seem to be the case; the only reason they use r.duckduckgo.com is for redirecting without the REFERER according to their docs, so there doesn't seem to be a way for them to do that.
  - codesections 7y ago
    According to DuckDuckGo, > To do that, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from multiple partners, though most commonly from Bing (and none from Google). Do you view that as misleading/incorrect?
    - jhoechtl 7y ago
      Yes, as we know nothing about the percentage of traffic which is coming from google, bing or any of the remaining 398 ressources. I can only assume the contribution is abysmal, given the almight of the one trully.
    - wongarsu 7y ago
      I read that as "Over four hundred sources for instant answers (the big box at the top) etc. What you usually think of as search results ("traditional links") comes from multiple partners, mostly from Bing (and never from Google, which only leaves Yandex and niche providers)". That fits well with what GP claimed.
- plapetomain 7y ago
  No. Ddg gets most of its index from bing.
pythux 7y ago
Did You check Cliqz already? Independent search index: https://beta.cliqz.com/ https://beta.cliqz.com/ There is a lot of technical details about how it’s built on the tech blog: https://0x65.dev/ https://0x65.dev/ (Disclaimer: I work at Cliqz)
- pmontra 7y ago
  I've been using your service as my main search engine on desktop and phone for more than one month (I made an xml file to load it as search engine.) It's okish but not very good at dealing with misspelling, with news and with images. Sometimes I touch the Google button at the end of the page to find what I'm looking for. I hope you keep track of the keywords that go to Google and use them to improve your index. Anyway, it's a good service, thank you.
  - __ka 7y ago
    Hey, thanks for using Cliqz. We're working hard on improvements for each one of the things you mentioned (in that order as well) - so things will definitely get much smoother over the next couple of months.
- busymom0 7y ago
  Maybe unrelated but what are the server costs and hardware used etc for such a thing?
- jefftk 7y ago
  I looked at Cliqz a few months ago, and the crawl didn't seem competitive with Google or Bing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21676600 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21676600
  - jhoechtl 7y ago
    You mean they are not as competitive as a billion dollar company 20 years in business?
    - 7y ago
dna_polymerase 7y ago
Qwant has their own index (or atleast parts) IIRC.
tmpAa 7y ago
SwissCows has its own indexer and I believe they don't rely on any external search source like Bing. They should push for better marketing, less nationalism & better UI like duckduckgo and they would go pretty far imo, their results are often better than DDG edit : my bad, actually they do use Bing in addition to their own crawler
kristopolous 7y ago
Yacy. Legendary yacy. Still around. Also gigablast

cromulent 7y ago

Yeah, they say they are powered by Yahoo, which is powered by Bing. https://info.lycos.com/about/contact-us/ https://info.lycos.com/about/contact-us/

eitland 7y ago

That sounds weird unless either - it is only part of the story like with ddg - or Bing has improved a lot lately - or for some reason I've been extremely biased against Bing I just tested it and the results were way better than I would expect from Bing.

eitland 7y ago
I just tested a bit more. Here is what I think I saw (safari, iOS): - bing has improved and is now usable, maybe even pleasant to use compared to Google. - the results between Bing, DuckDuckGo an Lycos were kind of similar, but not exactly similar - autocomplete was much better on Bing - I actually enjoyed the way certain search results were displayed in Bing