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I just did the math on their entry level model because I didn't believe you, but you're pretty close with that estimate. NewEgg prices: Threadripper 3960X -

by ijpsud 7y ago

I just did the math on their entry level model because I didn't believe you, but you're pretty close with that estimate. NewEgg prices: Threadripper 3960X - $1400 16GB 3200 RAM - $70 256GB NVMe - $70 RX 550 - $70 = $1600 System76 price = $3700 That said, if you're looking at their higher-end models, I think you still have a fixed ~$2k markup, and so you're looking at something like $10k vs $12k, which isn't a big deal for that sort of customer (does save time, after all). Side note: I own their AdderWS laptop and am a happy customer.

throwaway286 7y ago
The System76 computer includes a motherboard, case and power supply; your bundle of parts does not.
- jachee 7y ago
  Not to mention the labor of assembly and integration, testing, and QC. DIY is free only if your time is worth nothing.
  - truncate 7y ago
    As a power-user, I wonder if there is any reason to not do DIY PC building (for personal use) over buying from System76. It's not hard to figure out a good configuration online (or even just whatever System76 uses in their desktops?). Basic assembly itself isn't that hard (or time consuming), once you have all the parts. And, I guess these days most people who would need a desktop at home with this configuration are potentially power users.
    - technion 7y ago
      I have built a lot of desktops over the years. I've run into lots of strange issues. One machine would bsod like once a week and I never worked out why. Once a video card was somehow not compatible with the system despite being fine on paper. It's just an issue of how you value time. I have no time for those sort of way issues these days. When a hard dusk fails I want to call a vendor and have them show up with a part, not screw around with some return to base arrangement.
      - lonelappde 7y ago
        A hard drive? It's cheaper and easier to buy and pop in a new hard drive or ssd than it is to get on the phone with tech support.
    - chx 7y ago
      I believe I count as a power user. Not wanting to humblebrag here but I have been using Linux since 1993, coding in Z80 assembly since 1987, x86 assembly since 1993 as well. As a university student, I have, in fact, made a little money on the side by assembling PCs in the 90s for others. Last I checked the CPU / cooler installation was way way too fragile for my liking. I might be outdated on this , I last tried like ten years ago and noped the hell out. I also do not have the need any more, between my laptop + eGPU for gaming and a rented Hetzner server, my computing needs are covered. https://www.hetzner.com/sb https://www.hetzner.com/sb has a E3-1275v5 with 2x512GB NVMe SSDs and 64GB RAM for 46 EUR a month, it'd take quite a few months to make that server worth building and also I can use that thing to, you know, serve hobby sites.
      - fantyoon 7y ago
        I have done none of these things, but have assembled 3 computers now for myself and a family member. There is nothing about CPU cooler installation that is fragile, I am not sure that you could, even if you wanted, put enough pressure onto the CPU to damage it using your CPU cooler. The only really fragile thing are the pins on the CPU which you can damage if you mishandle it. Being careful with it there is really nothing scary about it.
        zozbot234 7y ago
        It's very possible to damage the socket and motherboard, if perhaps not the CPU itself. Those heatsinks and coolers are heavy, and they do also rely on pressure for proper thermal interfacing with the CPU heat spreader.
TD-Linux 7y ago
You're missing the motherboard, power supply, case, and cooler in that.
- ijpsud 7y ago
  I don't know why people here assumed that I thought a PC was only composed of the parts I listed (no case? honestly?). I just listed out what I thought would comprise 80% or so of the cost. Maybe it's 70%? GGP's estimate is still not far off.
icedchai 7y ago
Nobody builds a system like that with only 16 gigs of RAM and only 256G storage. Plus you need a quality motherboard, case, power supply, water cooling. Add another $1200.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  The OP system76 does. And if you want to upgrade to more then the price premium skyrockets.
  - icedchai 7y ago
    True. I'm really saying it would be silly to build a system like that with so little memory and storage. A friend of mine just build a 3950X, 128 gigs RAM, 4 TB SSD (2 NVME, 2 SATA.) The thing is a monster.

by ijpsud 7y ago

throwaway286 7y ago

The System76 computer includes a motherboard, case and power supply; your bundle of parts does not.

jachee 7y ago
Not to mention the labor of assembly and integration, testing, and QC. DIY is free only if your time is worth nothing.
- truncate 7y ago
  As a power-user, I wonder if there is any reason to not do DIY PC building (for personal use) over buying from System76. It's not hard to figure out a good configuration online (or even just whatever System76 uses in their desktops?). Basic assembly itself isn't that hard (or time consuming), once you have all the parts. And, I guess these days most people who would need a desktop at home with this configuration are potentially power users.
  - technion 7y ago
    I have built a lot of desktops over the years. I've run into lots of strange issues. One machine would bsod like once a week and I never worked out why. Once a video card was somehow not compatible with the system despite being fine on paper. It's just an issue of how you value time. I have no time for those sort of way issues these days. When a hard dusk fails I want to call a vendor and have them show up with a part, not screw around with some return to base arrangement.
    - lonelappde 7y ago
      A hard drive? It's cheaper and easier to buy and pop in a new hard drive or ssd than it is to get on the phone with tech support.
  - chx 7y ago
    I believe I count as a power user. Not wanting to humblebrag here but I have been using Linux since 1993, coding in Z80 assembly since 1987, x86 assembly since 1993 as well. As a university student, I have, in fact, made a little money on the side by assembling PCs in the 90s for others. Last I checked the CPU / cooler installation was way way too fragile for my liking. I might be outdated on this , I last tried like ten years ago and noped the hell out. I also do not have the need any more, between my laptop + eGPU for gaming and a rented Hetzner server, my computing needs are covered. https://www.hetzner.com/sb https://www.hetzner.com/sb has a E3-1275v5 with 2x512GB NVMe SSDs and 64GB RAM for 46 EUR a month, it'd take quite a few months to make that server worth building and also I can use that thing to, you know, serve hobby sites.
    - fantyoon 7y ago
      I have done none of these things, but have assembled 3 computers now for myself and a family member. There is nothing about CPU cooler installation that is fragile, I am not sure that you could, even if you wanted, put enough pressure onto the CPU to damage it using your CPU cooler. The only really fragile thing are the pins on the CPU which you can damage if you mishandle it. Being careful with it there is really nothing scary about it.
      - zozbot234 7y ago
        It's very possible to damage the socket and motherboard, if perhaps not the CPU itself. Those heatsinks and coolers are heavy, and they do also rely on pressure for proper thermal interfacing with the CPU heat spreader.

TD-Linux 7y ago

You're missing the motherboard, power supply, case, and cooler in that.

ijpsud 7y ago
I don't know why people here assumed that I thought a PC was only composed of the parts I listed (no case? honestly?). I just listed out what I thought would comprise 80% or so of the cost. Maybe it's 70%? GGP's estimate is still not far off.

icedchai 7y ago

Nobody builds a system like that with only 16 gigs of RAM and only 256G storage. Plus you need a quality motherboard, case, power supply, water cooling. Add another $1200.

lonelappde 7y ago
The OP system76 does. And if you want to upgrade to more then the price premium skyrockets.
- icedchai 7y ago
  True. I'm really saying it would be silly to build a system like that with so little memory and storage. A friend of mine just build a 3950X, 128 gigs RAM, 4 TB SSD (2 NVME, 2 SATA.) The thing is a monster.