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This is a real problem, and hard to raise without coming off (or being accused) as an insensitive clod. The number of handicapped and mentally ill / incapacita

This is a real problem, and hard to raise without coming off (or being accused) as an insensitive clod. The number of handicapped and mentally ill / incapacitated users who take public transport is a really big problem when combined with a system's stated need to serve everyone equally. They take up stopping time, slow the bus down, antagonize other riders, which leads to people not wanting to take the bus, making it seen more and more a transport mode of the dysfunctional. Then depriving it of funding, and into a spiral of decline. On a train or bus, you can't allow 1 person to delay 50 or 200 by multiple minutes during every ride. People who take public transport (the poor, those with no alternative) are the very people whose time is precious and wasting it with delays is really irresponsible. There needs to be a way to handle the outlier cases who slow the system down, to maintain confidence and reliability of the system for the bulk majority of passengers.

unapologetic 7y ago
I'd go with selfish ableist asshole over insensitive clod. The reason it's hard to raise this "real problem" without coming off that way is being you are absolutely just being an ableist asshole. Yeah it's a real problem that people who have trouble walking or traveling need to get around. Sorry that's mildly inconvenient. Maybe you should just quit being lazy and walk.
- supernova87a 7y ago
  "Ableist"? Go off back to your ridiculous PC college fantasy world and leave the solving of real problems to people who want to actually make things better.
  - dang 7y ago
    Breaking the site guidelines like this is not ok here, regardless of whether another user broke them. We've had to warn you about this in the past. Continuing to post like this will get you banned, so please don't. Edit: it also looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not ok, because it destroys what this site is supposed to be for (curiosity and thoughtful conversation). We ban such accounts, so please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - supernova87a 7y ago
      Your edit -- is this a cut and paste admonition that you send to anyone? I think if you look at my previous contributions, they are far from "ideological" and in fact contribute a lot of information. In a previous moderation, you took the position that pointing out the flaws in someone's argument was a personal attack. That is a concerning use of moderation discretion. On this above post, I concede that I was not being respectful to the person who was being so snarky and angry to begin with.
      - dang 7y ago
        I certainly post this sort of moderation comment to anyone who I see breaking the rules, but I try not to copy and paste them. Inevitably they are pretty repetitive though. It always feels like the other person started it and did worse, which is why you need to follow the site guidelines regardless of what the other person does. I don't mean 'you' personally, of course. We all do. I didn't read your account history closely, so it's possible it wasn't primarily ideological. But to stay on the right site of the guidelines, make sure that you're using this site for intellectual curiosity, not arguing with political enemies. That's important, and when people do that as intended, their comments take on a different quality that is more conducive to curious, thoughtful conversation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Eric_WVGG 7y ago
  You know, I spent several minutes on that comment trying to figure out how to talk about this diplomatically, eventually just gave up and tried to talk simply. What I wish I had added was, "this is fine, it's worth it, my convenience is not actually important." So, sorry about that.
- dang 7y ago
  Since you've done nothing but break the site guidelines since the last time we asked you to stop, it seems clear that you don't want to use HN as intended, so I've banned the account. Even if you're right on the underlying issue, being this much of an asshole on HN poisons what little community we actually have here, and that is more important. If you change your mind and decide you want to use the site in the intended spirit—e.g. with respect for others, even when they're wrong—you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
pasttense01 7y ago
Well there is: a separate system for the disabled. It's better for the average user--it speeds up the system. It's better for the disabled--the handicapped van comes directly to their house to pick them up and takes them directly to their destination.

unapologetic 7y ago

I'd go with selfish ableist asshole over insensitive clod. The reason it's hard to raise this "real problem" without coming off that way is being you are absolutely just being an ableist asshole. Yeah it's a real problem that people who have trouble walking or traveling need to get around. Sorry that's mildly inconvenient. Maybe you should just quit being lazy and walk.

supernova87a 7y ago
"Ableist"? Go off back to your ridiculous PC college fantasy world and leave the solving of real problems to people who want to actually make things better.
- dang 7y ago
  Breaking the site guidelines like this is not ok here, regardless of whether another user broke them. We've had to warn you about this in the past. Continuing to post like this will get you banned, so please don't. Edit: it also looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not ok, because it destroys what this site is supposed to be for (curiosity and thoughtful conversation). We ban such accounts, so please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - supernova87a 7y ago
    Your edit -- is this a cut and paste admonition that you send to anyone? I think if you look at my previous contributions, they are far from "ideological" and in fact contribute a lot of information. In a previous moderation, you took the position that pointing out the flaws in someone's argument was a personal attack. That is a concerning use of moderation discretion. On this above post, I concede that I was not being respectful to the person who was being so snarky and angry to begin with.
    - dang 7y ago
      I certainly post this sort of moderation comment to anyone who I see breaking the rules, but I try not to copy and paste them. Inevitably they are pretty repetitive though. It always feels like the other person started it and did worse, which is why you need to follow the site guidelines regardless of what the other person does. I don't mean 'you' personally, of course. We all do. I didn't read your account history closely, so it's possible it wasn't primarily ideological. But to stay on the right site of the guidelines, make sure that you're using this site for intellectual curiosity, not arguing with political enemies. That's important, and when people do that as intended, their comments take on a different quality that is more conducive to curious, thoughtful conversation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Eric_WVGG 7y ago
You know, I spent several minutes on that comment trying to figure out how to talk about this diplomatically, eventually just gave up and tried to talk simply. What I wish I had added was, "this is fine, it's worth it, my convenience is not actually important." So, sorry about that.
dang 7y ago
Since you've done nothing but break the site guidelines since the last time we asked you to stop, it seems clear that you don't want to use HN as intended, so I've banned the account. Even if you're right on the underlying issue, being this much of an asshole on HN poisons what little community we actually have here, and that is more important. If you change your mind and decide you want to use the site in the intended spirit—e.g. with respect for others, even when they're wrong—you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

pasttense01 7y ago

Well there is: a separate system for the disabled. It's better for the average user--it speeds up the system. It's better for the disabled--the handicapped van comes directly to their house to pick them up and takes them directly to their destination.