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Who owned the car before the dealer bought it? Tesla. Did Tesla sell a car with FSD to the dealer? No, Tesla sold the dealer a car without FSD, but the feature

by zaroth 7y ago

Who owned the car before the dealer bought it? Tesla. Did Tesla sell a car with FSD to the dealer? No, Tesla sold the dealer a car without FSD, but the feature was incorrectly enabled in the car that was delivered. This tends to happen because features will only come off after the next software update is applied. By the way, there's a similar issue with used cars that originally came with "Free Unlimited SuperCharging". This is another case where if Tesla buys the used car, or it's returned to them, they will resell it used without "Free Unlimited Supercharging". The problem is when third-party dealers purchase off-lease Teslas which originally had "Free Unlimited SuperCharging" even though Tesla will always remove that feature when the lease is over, the used car dealer could lie to the new buyer that they are getting FUSC with the car, when in fact they will not. For example: https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/free-unlimited-supercharging-removed-without-notice https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/free-unlimited-superch...

dlgeek 7y ago
Who sold the car with a federal disclosure window sticker that represented it had full self-driving capability installed? Tesla. Who failed to include any mention of removing that equipment that was included in the legally required lemon disclosure statement? Tesla. Who allowed the dealer to inspect the car and test drive it in a state where the equipment and features that were listed as included equipment were present and working? Tesla. If Tesla wants to remove features when they resell a car, that's fine, but they have to disclose it, and they can't misrepresent those features as included in the material and documentation provided. That would be fraud.
leereeves 7y ago
> Tesla sold the dealer a car without FSD Where do you get that idea? If that picture of an invoice is to be believed, even Tesla agrees the car did have FSD when it was sold on Nov 15. And nothing seems to say otherwise. You may expect, for whatever reason, that a used Tesla doesn't include FSD even if the sticker says it does and the feature is enabled on a test drive, but that's not a reasonable expectation. In fact it's quite a surprise, so Tesla needs to make it very clear that that is the case, and there's no evidence here that they have done so.

by zaroth 7y ago

dlgeek 7y ago

Who sold the car with a federal disclosure window sticker that represented it had full self-driving capability installed? Tesla. Who failed to include any mention of removing that equipment that was included in the legally required lemon disclosure statement? Tesla. Who allowed the dealer to inspect the car and test drive it in a state where the equipment and features that were listed as included equipment were present and working? Tesla. If Tesla wants to remove features when they resell a car, that's fine, but they have to disclose it, and they can't misrepresent those features as included in the material and documentation provided. That would be fraud.

leereeves 7y ago

> Tesla sold the dealer a car without FSD Where do you get that idea? If that picture of an invoice is to be believed, even Tesla agrees the car did have FSD when it was sold on Nov 15. And nothing seems to say otherwise. You may expect, for whatever reason, that a used Tesla doesn't include FSD even if the sticker says it does and the feature is enabled on a test drive, but that's not a reasonable expectation. In fact it's quite a surprise, so Tesla needs to make it very clear that that is the case, and there's no evidence here that they have done so.