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I get the analogy. My point is most people buying used cars will not see used cars and used computers as analogous. And the other point is, even if someone sel

I get the analogy. My point is most people buying used cars will not see used cars and used computers as analogous. And the other point is, even if someone sells a car that supposedly has FDC and EAP enabled it would be foolish to pay for it. Because Tesla can "audit" and remove it on a whim.

_ph_ 7y ago
No, if you buy a car with FSD or Autopilot, Tesla won't remove it on a whim.
- olivermarks 7y ago
  Anyone read the Tesla Digital Rights Management small print on this? If I buy a car with extra options (leather, premium stereo etc) I would subsequently sell it with those options. It appears Tesla are removing the digital rights options the PO would have paid for, reverting the car to a base model with option buy new subscriptions - is that correct or do I misunderstand?
  - _ph_ 7y ago
    You misunderstood. If you privately resell your Tesla, the purchased licensed software stays with the car. This car was sold and priced by Tesla s not having autopilot. Consequentely, they removed it, when they discovered, it was still activated. But a car purchased with the autopilot option, keeps it.
    - leereeves 7y ago
      > a car purchased with the autopilot option, keeps it. What evidence inspires you to say that? Do you have private information showing that Tesla did in fact say: "the sticker is wrong, the test drive is wrong, this car doesn't include FSD"? According to the story, Tesla sold this vehicle at auction with FSD enabled, and with a sticker saying it had FSD. In the absence of other evidence, that means Tesla sold the car with the autopilot option, and then removed it.
      - _ph_ 7y ago
        Tesla cars are resold privately every day and no one reported that the autopilot was removed. Also the story was corrected and the sticker applied to the original sale of the car (the car was returned to Tesla), not to the sale of the then used car by Tesla to the dealer.
        leereeves 7y ago
        > Also the story was corrected and the sticker applied to the original sale of the car (the car was returned to Tesla), not to the sale of the then used car by Tesla to the dealer. I'm reading the story now and don't see that in there anywhere. That said, it's clear that the sticker describes the car and the price from the original sale. It's not clear whether that sticker was also displayed at the auction, and now that you mention it, the story doesn't say. But I've bought cars at auction before and they were always sold as-is. I'd be livid if the seller broke in a few days later and sabotaged a feature on a car I bought as-is, with the excuse "we didn't mean to include that feature".
        _ph_ 7y ago
        That should be something Tesla and that dealer need to work out. What is written in the sales contract and what rights come from the fact, that the car was handed over with the autopilot being active. That is what lawyers are for :).

_ph_ 7y ago

No, if you buy a car with FSD or Autopilot, Tesla won't remove it on a whim.

olivermarks 7y ago
Anyone read the Tesla Digital Rights Management small print on this? If I buy a car with extra options (leather, premium stereo etc) I would subsequently sell it with those options. It appears Tesla are removing the digital rights options the PO would have paid for, reverting the car to a base model with option buy new subscriptions - is that correct or do I misunderstand?
- _ph_ 7y ago
  You misunderstood. If you privately resell your Tesla, the purchased licensed software stays with the car. This car was sold and priced by Tesla s not having autopilot. Consequentely, they removed it, when they discovered, it was still activated. But a car purchased with the autopilot option, keeps it.
  - leereeves 7y ago
    > a car purchased with the autopilot option, keeps it. What evidence inspires you to say that? Do you have private information showing that Tesla did in fact say: "the sticker is wrong, the test drive is wrong, this car doesn't include FSD"? According to the story, Tesla sold this vehicle at auction with FSD enabled, and with a sticker saying it had FSD. In the absence of other evidence, that means Tesla sold the car with the autopilot option, and then removed it.
    - _ph_ 7y ago
      Tesla cars are resold privately every day and no one reported that the autopilot was removed. Also the story was corrected and the sticker applied to the original sale of the car (the car was returned to Tesla), not to the sale of the then used car by Tesla to the dealer.
      - leereeves 7y ago
        > Also the story was corrected and the sticker applied to the original sale of the car (the car was returned to Tesla), not to the sale of the then used car by Tesla to the dealer. I'm reading the story now and don't see that in there anywhere. That said, it's clear that the sticker describes the car and the price from the original sale. It's not clear whether that sticker was also displayed at the auction, and now that you mention it, the story doesn't say. But I've bought cars at auction before and they were always sold as-is. I'd be livid if the seller broke in a few days later and sabotaged a feature on a car I bought as-is, with the excuse "we didn't mean to include that feature".
        _ph_ 7y ago
        That should be something Tesla and that dealer need to work out. What is written in the sales contract and what rights come from the fact, that the car was handed over with the autopilot being active. That is what lawyers are for :).