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An update to the article says, Dealer: "I bought that vehicle personally, and used the full self drive on it multiple times. It was working fine. One day, a ran

An update to the article says, Dealer: "I bought that vehicle personally, and used the full self drive on it multiple times. It was working fine. One day, a random message popped up saying your autopilot has been upgraded after a software update. Then it disappeared. I figured it was a glitch. I already had an agreement with Alec to purchase the vehicle."

leereeves 7y ago
Interesting. Hard to reconcile with what the article says: > The dealer bought the car on Nov 15 > Tesla removed AP on Nov 18 (according to the note in the invoice) > Alec bought the car on Dec 20. If that's all correct, the dealer had the car with FSD for only 3 days, and without FSD for over a month.
- jayd16 7y ago
  Perhaps Tesla marked the car for removal on Nov 18th, but it doesn't take effect until an update is pulled.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    The timeline doesn't really matter much IMO, the issue is whether the dealer knew or should have known that the update was coming when they purchased the vehicle. It would be pretty typical used car dealer behavior to buy the car for cheap, knowing the feature would be removed, and that they could get a buyer to pay for it, and then deflect the blame to Tesla.
perl4ever 7y ago
I would bet that the dishonest part of that is "I figured it was a glitch". I mean come on, you believe that from a used car dealer? The classic comment on getting someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on not understanding it comes to mind.
- stingraycharles 7y ago
  On the other hand, there’s this other saying that we should never attribute to malice that what can equally be attributed to incompetence. I agree with you that it’s suspicious, but then again, it’s also easy to see how a notification for a software update would be overlooked as not important.

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An update to the article says, Dealer: "I bought that vehicle personally, and used the full self drive on it multiple times. It was working fine. One day, a ran

by nimajneb 7y ago

leereeves 7y ago
Interesting. Hard to reconcile with what the article says: > The dealer bought the car on Nov 15 > Tesla removed AP on Nov 18 (according to the note in the invoice) > Alec bought the car on Dec 20. If that's all correct, the dealer had the car with FSD for only 3 days, and without FSD for over a month.
- jayd16 7y ago
  Perhaps Tesla marked the car for removal on Nov 18th, but it doesn't take effect until an update is pulled.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    The timeline doesn't really matter much IMO, the issue is whether the dealer knew or should have known that the update was coming when they purchased the vehicle. It would be pretty typical used car dealer behavior to buy the car for cheap, knowing the feature would be removed, and that they could get a buyer to pay for it, and then deflect the blame to Tesla.
perl4ever 7y ago
I would bet that the dishonest part of that is "I figured it was a glitch". I mean come on, you believe that from a used car dealer? The classic comment on getting someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on not understanding it comes to mind.
- stingraycharles 7y ago
  On the other hand, there’s this other saying that we should never attribute to malice that what can equally be attributed to incompetence. I agree with you that it’s suspicious, but then again, it’s also easy to see how a notification for a software update would be overlooked as not important.