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> The feature was disabled while the used car dealer still had the car, before it was sold to the now current owner. This is not what happened according to the

> The feature was disabled while the used car dealer still had the car, before it was sold to the now current owner. This is not what happened according to the article. A person bought the car with those features still existing on the car then ran an update. The update removed the features.

binaryblitz 7y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if Jalopnik purposefully left out or changed information. I was a reader of theirs for years, but they are CLEARLY anti-Tesla, and honestly anti-electric car.
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- unapologetic 7y ago
  or maybe they just aren't sycophantic tesla fanboys.
nimajneb 7y ago
An update to the article says, Dealer: "I bought that vehicle personally, and used the full self drive on it multiple times. It was working fine. One day, a random message popped up saying your autopilot has been upgraded after a software update. Then it disappeared. I figured it was a glitch. I already had an agreement with Alec to purchase the vehicle."
- leereeves 7y ago
  Interesting. Hard to reconcile with what the article says: > The dealer bought the car on Nov 15 > Tesla removed AP on Nov 18 (according to the note in the invoice) > Alec bought the car on Dec 20. If that's all correct, the dealer had the car with FSD for only 3 days, and without FSD for over a month.
  - jayd16 7y ago
    Perhaps Tesla marked the car for removal on Nov 18th, but it doesn't take effect until an update is pulled.
    - perl4ever 7y ago
      The timeline doesn't really matter much IMO, the issue is whether the dealer knew or should have known that the update was coming when they purchased the vehicle. It would be pretty typical used car dealer behavior to buy the car for cheap, knowing the feature would be removed, and that they could get a buyer to pay for it, and then deflect the blame to Tesla.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  I would bet that the dishonest part of that is "I figured it was a glitch". I mean come on, you believe that from a used car dealer? The classic comment on getting someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on not understanding it comes to mind.
  - stingraycharles 7y ago
    On the other hand, there’s this other saying that we should never attribute to malice that what can equally be attributed to incompetence. I agree with you that it’s suspicious, but then again, it’s also easy to see how a notification for a software update would be overlooked as not important.
krtong 7y ago
this seems like they were fixing a bug. The previous owner had autodrive enabled but never actually paid for it. Sounds like a small claims issue to determine how much money the dealer is owed for buying a car that doesnt have everything it was supposed to come with.
perl4ever 7y ago
I guess this hinges on whether people know that Tesla does stuff like this and would in this instance. If you do know, and you should know, then you wouldn't misrepresent a car as having a feature just because it technically does have the feature, weird as that sounds. I'm not clear on whether the dealer did know or should have known that the feature would be removed. If yes, then the window sticker or the functionality working after the sale is irrelevant and it's the dealer that screwed the customer not Tesla.

binaryblitz 7y ago

I wouldn't be surprised if Jalopnik purposefully left out or changed information. I was a reader of theirs for years, but they are CLEARLY anti-Tesla, and honestly anti-electric car.

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unapologetic 7y ago
or maybe they just aren't sycophantic tesla fanboys.

nimajneb 7y ago

An update to the article says, Dealer: "I bought that vehicle personally, and used the full self drive on it multiple times. It was working fine. One day, a random message popped up saying your autopilot has been upgraded after a software update. Then it disappeared. I figured it was a glitch. I already had an agreement with Alec to purchase the vehicle."

leereeves 7y ago
Interesting. Hard to reconcile with what the article says: > The dealer bought the car on Nov 15 > Tesla removed AP on Nov 18 (according to the note in the invoice) > Alec bought the car on Dec 20. If that's all correct, the dealer had the car with FSD for only 3 days, and without FSD for over a month.
- jayd16 7y ago
  Perhaps Tesla marked the car for removal on Nov 18th, but it doesn't take effect until an update is pulled.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    The timeline doesn't really matter much IMO, the issue is whether the dealer knew or should have known that the update was coming when they purchased the vehicle. It would be pretty typical used car dealer behavior to buy the car for cheap, knowing the feature would be removed, and that they could get a buyer to pay for it, and then deflect the blame to Tesla.
perl4ever 7y ago
I would bet that the dishonest part of that is "I figured it was a glitch". I mean come on, you believe that from a used car dealer? The classic comment on getting someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on not understanding it comes to mind.
- stingraycharles 7y ago
  On the other hand, there’s this other saying that we should never attribute to malice that what can equally be attributed to incompetence. I agree with you that it’s suspicious, but then again, it’s also easy to see how a notification for a software update would be overlooked as not important.

krtong 7y ago

this seems like they were fixing a bug. The previous owner had autodrive enabled but never actually paid for it. Sounds like a small claims issue to determine how much money the dealer is owed for buying a car that doesnt have everything it was supposed to come with.

perl4ever 7y ago

I guess this hinges on whether people know that Tesla does stuff like this and would in this instance. If you do know, and you should know, then you wouldn't misrepresent a car as having a feature just because it technically does have the feature, weird as that sounds. I'm not clear on whether the dealer did know or should have known that the feature would be removed. If yes, then the window sticker or the functionality working after the sale is irrelevant and it's the dealer that screwed the customer not Tesla.