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this is definitely not true speaking as someone who just bought a used Tesla from Tesla with all software features

zaroth 7y ago
I’m not saying you can’t buy a used Tesla from Tesla.com with FSD or Acceleration Boost, I’m saying that they are selling that feature over again to you at that time. There are dozens of forum posts discussing this over the years on Tesla Motors Club and Reddit. [1] People get confused because a site might list a car based on the VIN as having FSD but on Tesla.com the car is listed without FSD and the price is lower. It’s up to Tesla to decide if they want to try to sell a used car that they own with or without certain software features. It all comes down to the sales contract between Tesla and the new owner (in this case the used car dealer) which is the key piece of information missing in this story. [1] - Just one example... https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/cx3dww/more_proof_that_tesla_is_removing_eap_fsd_from/ https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/cx3dww/more_proo...
- gnicholas 7y ago
  So does that mean if you sell a Tesla back to the company, the don't take into account the fact that you paid for FSD? Also, when people buy a used Tesla and add FSD, do they charge the same price as buying it new? Most Teslas aren't that old, but I could imagine if you bought one with 25% of its useful life gone, you'd find it pretty unfair if they asked 100% of the FSD price. Also, just on a price discrimination basis, I'd think people who buy new Teslas are willing/able to pay more than people who buy used ones.
  - rootusrootus 7y ago
    > the don't take into account the fact that you paid for FSD Correct, if you trade-in your car to Tesla, they do not consider software upgrades as having any value. If you want to recoup any resale value for FSD you need to sell to someone other than Tesla.
xref 7y ago
Parent noted you can buy all the fancy Tesla features on a used car. That doesn’t change the fact they were disabled when Tesla dealership took back possession of the car then later you paid to unlock them upon purchase. It does seem like a wash however, not “paying twice” for the same features. The resale price is lower for Tesla without those features. And on a lemon law return nobody actually paid money for those features in the end anyway.

I’m not saying you can’t buy a used Tesla from Tesla.com with FSD or Acceleration Boost, I’m saying that they are selling that feature over again to you at that time. There are dozens of forum posts discussing this over the years on Tesla Motors Club and Reddit. [1] People get confused because a site might list a car based on the VIN as having FSD but on Tesla.com the car is listed without FSD and the price is lower. It’s up to Tesla to decide if they want to try to sell a used car that they own with or without certain software features. It all comes down to the sales contract between Tesla and the new owner (in this case the used car dealer) which is the key piece of information missing in this story. [1] - Just one example... https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/cx3dww/more_proof_that_tesla_is_removing_eap_fsd_from/ https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/cx3dww/more_proo...

gnicholas 7y ago
So does that mean if you sell a Tesla back to the company, the don't take into account the fact that you paid for FSD? Also, when people buy a used Tesla and add FSD, do they charge the same price as buying it new? Most Teslas aren't that old, but I could imagine if you bought one with 25% of its useful life gone, you'd find it pretty unfair if they asked 100% of the FSD price. Also, just on a price discrimination basis, I'd think people who buy new Teslas are willing/able to pay more than people who buy used ones.
- rootusrootus 7y ago
  > the don't take into account the fact that you paid for FSD Correct, if you trade-in your car to Tesla, they do not consider software upgrades as having any value. If you want to recoup any resale value for FSD you need to sell to someone other than Tesla.

xref 7y ago

Parent noted you can buy all the fancy Tesla features on a used car. That doesn’t change the fact they were disabled when Tesla dealership took back possession of the car then later you paid to unlock them upon purchase. It does seem like a wash however, not “paying twice” for the same features. The resale price is lower for Tesla without those features. And on a lemon law return nobody actually paid money for those features in the end anyway.