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As a gay man, I don't think I'll ever be able to like that guy. He spent money to try and prevent me from getting married.

gridlockd 7y ago
Suppose you believed that California with gay marriage would receive a similar fate to Sodom or Gomorrah, what's morally wrong with spending the money to try and avert that fate? It's nothing personal. You probably believe in curtailing certain personal freedoms for other reasons and you are morally justified to do so. Again, nothing personal.
- driverdan 7y ago
  You'd be an asshole for trying to impose your personal beliefs on others.
  - gridlockd 7y ago
    We're imposing our personal beliefs on everyone all the time, it's just that those beliefs are shared 99% of the time, so we don't notice.
- dave5104 7y ago
  I'm going to ignore your crazy theory that California might be subject to biblical catastrophe. > You probably believe in curtailing certain personal freedoms for other reasons and you are morally justified to do so. Again, nothing personal. The key difference is that I don't want to limit personal freedoms for a specific class of people. That's when it does get personal.
  - gridlockd 7y ago
    > I'm going to ignore your crazy theory that California might be subject to biblical catastrophe. That's not "a theory" I have, that's a sincere belief that religious person might have. Had you been born a century earlier, it probably wouldn't have seemed so crazy to you. > The key difference is that I don't want to limit personal freedoms for a specific class of people. You probably do, but you'd just arbitrarily define what is and isn't a (protected) class of people, so I'll leave it at that.
- jshevek 7y ago
  I'm confused by this argument. Of course the steps from 'insane belief' and 'act perceived as immoral' can involve specific steps of reasoning which seem morally correct within the context of the insane belief. That's not the point, not a good justification for the act, and not something that we as a society should tolerate. Some kind of incompetence, delusion, or misunderstanding is very often the cause of an immoral act.
  - gridlockd 7y ago
    It's not only "morally correct" within the context of the belief, it's not immoral in the general context. Doing a wrong thing based on false information but in good faith is not morally wrong. At the very least, you must accept innocence on ground of insanity.

gridlockd 7y ago

Suppose you believed that California with gay marriage would receive a similar fate to Sodom or Gomorrah, what's morally wrong with spending the money to try and avert that fate? It's nothing personal. You probably believe in curtailing certain personal freedoms for other reasons and you are morally justified to do so. Again, nothing personal.

driverdan 7y ago
You'd be an asshole for trying to impose your personal beliefs on others.
- gridlockd 7y ago
  We're imposing our personal beliefs on everyone all the time, it's just that those beliefs are shared 99% of the time, so we don't notice.
dave5104 7y ago
I'm going to ignore your crazy theory that California might be subject to biblical catastrophe. > You probably believe in curtailing certain personal freedoms for other reasons and you are morally justified to do so. Again, nothing personal. The key difference is that I don't want to limit personal freedoms for a specific class of people. That's when it does get personal.
- gridlockd 7y ago
  > I'm going to ignore your crazy theory that California might be subject to biblical catastrophe. That's not "a theory" I have, that's a sincere belief that religious person might have. Had you been born a century earlier, it probably wouldn't have seemed so crazy to you. > The key difference is that I don't want to limit personal freedoms for a specific class of people. You probably do, but you'd just arbitrarily define what is and isn't a (protected) class of people, so I'll leave it at that.
jshevek 7y ago
I'm confused by this argument. Of course the steps from 'insane belief' and 'act perceived as immoral' can involve specific steps of reasoning which seem morally correct within the context of the insane belief. That's not the point, not a good justification for the act, and not something that we as a society should tolerate. Some kind of incompetence, delusion, or misunderstanding is very often the cause of an immoral act.
- gridlockd 7y ago
  It's not only "morally correct" within the context of the belief, it's not immoral in the general context. Doing a wrong thing based on false information but in good faith is not morally wrong. At the very least, you must accept innocence on ground of insanity.