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This is one of the main reasons I won't buy a Tesla. They can just turn off things you paid for at will. The other is they won't open up their parts for people

This is one of the main reasons I won't buy a Tesla. They can just turn off things you paid for at will. The other is they won't open up their parts for people to work on their own cars. That's one of the main reasons used Teslas are so expensive. I mean even salvaged Teslas are really expensive.

knorker 7y ago
But in this case Tesla had not been paid for this. Not by anyone. The title of the article implies that they have, but if you read it you see that they have not.
- dathinab 7y ago
  IMHO that not true: They sold a car. That car had certain features enabled. That normally that feature would cost extra or is not explicitly listed in the contract doesn't matter at all. It was enabled in the car so anyone inspecting the car clearly saw the feature when looking for it. It's like selling a car and then telling the buyer a month later "oh btw. the second row of seats in your car was not listed in the contract (even through you saw it when buying) so we went to your car used our master key to unlock it and removed the seats, you can always get them back by paying another 8,000". Companies who accidental sell more then they want normally live with that loss and accept it as their error (which it IMHO obviously was).
  - jiofih 7y ago
    If I sell you a laptop with a copy of Omnigraffle that I bought using a stolen credit card, and the license gets revoked, who is to blame?
    - compiler-guy 7y ago
      This analogy is wrong because legitimate actors performed every transaction in the chain in a fully legal manner. There was no stolen credit card, no shifty advertising, no nothing that was wrong. Tesla screwed up.
  - sodastreamgirl 7y ago
    FSD in an old vehicle like this doesn’t even do anything. It’s a placeholder feature, you would never know if it was on or not, there’s zero customer facing features in the fsd package on -older- vehicles. Newer vehicles, yes, FSD package has features.
    - drewg123 7y ago
      It at least theoretically entitles you to a free upgrade to the newer self driving computer, which then activates the new features.
- resoluteteeth 7y ago
  > But in this case Tesla had not been paid for this. Not by anyone. Tesla specifically sold the car with these features when it was auctioned: https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-features-from-customer-1841472617?rev=1580941196331 https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-featur...
- hijinks 7y ago
  If you fix your Tesla by yourself.. they can just turn off super charging if they want. It's bullshit

knorker 7y ago

But in this case Tesla had not been paid for this. Not by anyone. The title of the article implies that they have, but if you read it you see that they have not.

dathinab 7y ago
IMHO that not true: They sold a car. That car had certain features enabled. That normally that feature would cost extra or is not explicitly listed in the contract doesn't matter at all. It was enabled in the car so anyone inspecting the car clearly saw the feature when looking for it. It's like selling a car and then telling the buyer a month later "oh btw. the second row of seats in your car was not listed in the contract (even through you saw it when buying) so we went to your car used our master key to unlock it and removed the seats, you can always get them back by paying another 8,000". Companies who accidental sell more then they want normally live with that loss and accept it as their error (which it IMHO obviously was).
- jiofih 7y ago
  If I sell you a laptop with a copy of Omnigraffle that I bought using a stolen credit card, and the license gets revoked, who is to blame?
  - compiler-guy 7y ago
    This analogy is wrong because legitimate actors performed every transaction in the chain in a fully legal manner. There was no stolen credit card, no shifty advertising, no nothing that was wrong. Tesla screwed up.
- sodastreamgirl 7y ago
  FSD in an old vehicle like this doesn’t even do anything. It’s a placeholder feature, you would never know if it was on or not, there’s zero customer facing features in the fsd package on -older- vehicles. Newer vehicles, yes, FSD package has features.
  - drewg123 7y ago
    It at least theoretically entitles you to a free upgrade to the newer self driving computer, which then activates the new features.
resoluteteeth 7y ago
> But in this case Tesla had not been paid for this. Not by anyone. Tesla specifically sold the car with these features when it was auctioned: https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-features-from-customer-1841472617?rev=1580941196331 https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-featur...
hijinks 7y ago
If you fix your Tesla by yourself.. they can just turn off super charging if they want. It's bullshit