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were the men asked to "buff it up", have beards and only wear suits, ties and dress shoes? seriously, this whole thing with telling people what to wear and how

by kmlx 7y ago

were the men asked to "buff it up", have beards and only wear suits, ties and dress shoes? seriously, this whole thing with telling people what to wear and how to act is depressing.

everdrive 7y ago
I suspect the men are explicitly told how to dress, act, and wear their facial hair. Sales is sleazy, there's no avoiding it.
brighton36 7y ago
Humans judge humans based on habitus and appearance. Being a salesperson requires charm. I don't see what the scandal is here.
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elil17 7y ago
Even if they were, asking someone to dress fancy is different then asking them to wear short skirts. There isn’t even a male equivalent of that sort of formal-yet-sexual attire because it’s so unimaginable that male sales reps would be demeaned in that way.
- thu2111 7y ago
  You know a lot of women find a sharply dressed man much more attractive than the same man in a hoodie, right? People seem to be getting upset here because they perceive a "short but formal" skirt as somehow sexualised or demeaning to women, whilst being asked to wear a suit isn't for men. But why do you think so many men wear suits in non-business settings? It's because women like it.
  - elil17 7y ago
    Yes, I myself find well dressed men more attractive than men in hoodies. But there’s a difference between dressing in a way that’s attractive and dressing in a way that’s sexualized. Being in a short skirt feels a lot more like being in a speedo than being in a suit.
  - gremlinsinc 7y ago
    You know a lot of women have self-image issues about their legs right? Maybe they don't like to show them, or have a scar? Maybe they are bio-female but identify as a man, and would rather dress as a man, or they're non-binary and go back/forth but always dress up in Tuxedo instead of Dresses, or pant-suits... All of which can be business professional. They could've just worded it - dress like you're going to the Academy Awards and leave it like that.
unishark 7y ago
Everyone was told to "step it up". The words are twisted pretty far in that story. What they asked for was business casual for daytime then "step it up" with cocktail causal in the awards dinner, giving details what that entailed for men and women.
- happytoexplain 7y ago
  >giving details what that entailed for men and women Why did you stop there?
  - unishark 7y ago
    Laziness mainly, why? It was a screenshot and couldn't be cut-and-pasted. Are you suggesting I twisted words too with my summary?
- madeofpalk 7y ago
  > What they asked for was business casual for daytime then "step it up" with cocktail causal in the awards dinner No, they were asked to wear "short but formal skirt".
bluntfang 7y ago
There are companies who's purpose is to do "real time conversational guidance and analytics". They say they can measure empathy. It's really fucked up. https://www.cogitocorp.com/ https://www.cogitocorp.com/

by kmlx 7y ago

were the men asked to "buff it up", have beards and only wear suits, ties and dress shoes? seriously, this whole thing with telling people what to wear and how to act is depressing.

everdrive 7y ago

I suspect the men are explicitly told how to dress, act, and wear their facial hair. Sales is sleazy, there's no avoiding it.

brighton36 7y ago

Humans judge humans based on habitus and appearance. Being a salesperson requires charm. I don't see what the scandal is here.

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elil17 7y ago

Even if they were, asking someone to dress fancy is different then asking them to wear short skirts. There isn’t even a male equivalent of that sort of formal-yet-sexual attire because it’s so unimaginable that male sales reps would be demeaned in that way.

thu2111 7y ago
You know a lot of women find a sharply dressed man much more attractive than the same man in a hoodie, right? People seem to be getting upset here because they perceive a "short but formal" skirt as somehow sexualised or demeaning to women, whilst being asked to wear a suit isn't for men. But why do you think so many men wear suits in non-business settings? It's because women like it.
- elil17 7y ago
  Yes, I myself find well dressed men more attractive than men in hoodies. But there’s a difference between dressing in a way that’s attractive and dressing in a way that’s sexualized. Being in a short skirt feels a lot more like being in a speedo than being in a suit.
- gremlinsinc 7y ago
  You know a lot of women have self-image issues about their legs right? Maybe they don't like to show them, or have a scar? Maybe they are bio-female but identify as a man, and would rather dress as a man, or they're non-binary and go back/forth but always dress up in Tuxedo instead of Dresses, or pant-suits... All of which can be business professional. They could've just worded it - dress like you're going to the Academy Awards and leave it like that.

unishark 7y ago

Everyone was told to "step it up". The words are twisted pretty far in that story. What they asked for was business casual for daytime then "step it up" with cocktail causal in the awards dinner, giving details what that entailed for men and women.

happytoexplain 7y ago
>giving details what that entailed for men and women Why did you stop there?
- unishark 7y ago
  Laziness mainly, why? It was a screenshot and couldn't be cut-and-pasted. Are you suggesting I twisted words too with my summary?
madeofpalk 7y ago
> What they asked for was business casual for daytime then "step it up" with cocktail causal in the awards dinner No, they were asked to wear "short but formal skirt".

bluntfang 7y ago

There are companies who's purpose is to do "real time conversational guidance and analytics". They say they can measure empathy. It's really fucked up. https://www.cogitocorp.com/ https://www.cogitocorp.com/