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> How can we move forward using Apple? And why should they? What's wrong with trying out something like Thinkpad X series[1] instead? Or Thinkpad P series, whi

• zymhan 7y ago
  Oh come now, you surely understand that you cannot just drop in a Windows or Linux PC as a replacement for a Mac, just like you couldn't do the opposite. Organizations have management tools, single sign on, and software that may only run on one OS. Suggesting a ThinkPad or Dell as a replacement is naive. If an organization wants to change the computers it gives it's employees so dramatically, it will take some transition time, and a lot of fighting. We're not just talking about your personal laptop here.
  • marriedWpt 7y ago
    Why can't you? Compiling iOS apps? Otherwise anything an Apple product can do, a competitor does cheaper and better.
    • psychometry 7y ago
      Cheaper? Yes. Better? Not generally.
      • speedgoose 7y ago
        It really depends. Some people want good gaming performances, an easy to upgrade or fix laptop, or simply a touch screen.
  • krn 7y ago
    What you are saying is, that no matter how much one company keeps failing, they will never leave its ecosystem. What I am saying, is that it's never too late to begin considering it.
    • zymhan 7y ago
      I literally said they can switch, but it is not easy and takes effort. You're assuming a lot by saying they haven't even considered it. And more relevant to this post, Apple still sold people a multi-thousand dollar device, and those people are entitled to question why the device doesn't perform as expected.
      • krn 7y ago
        My point was, that we now have a long enough history of Apple's hardware failures, delayed admissions, and constrained repairability. Instead of pretending to be surprised by another of Apple's non-reactions, they should use this as an opportunity to reconsider the whole picture. At least, if Dell starts sucking, they can switch to HP or Lenovo, and the other way around. If Apple stars sucking, they have no other option but to keep complaining online.
        • ksec 7y ago
          >My point was, that we have now a long enough history of Apple's hardware failures, delayed admissions, and constrained repairability. Because despite all of its problems, sadly Apple's product is still very often the best on the market. You sort of wish Microsoft to do better, both hardware and Software, along with HP and Dell. But the market is polarised with one group who dont care or understand quality, or another group who demands absolute perfection and are willing to pay for it.
  • fortran77 7y ago
    I switched from Mac to Windows 10 and it was painless.
    • ac4tw 7y ago
      I'm curious about how long you were using Mac and how much of the ecosystem you were taking advantage of. Specifically were you using Apple messaging, photos, and / or email? Also, did you take advantage of handoff or airdrop? I imagine if you were strictly using cloud services, it was a relatively painless transition.
    • zymhan 7y ago
      Again, we're talking about a company with likely dozens of Macs, at least, and the IT dept that has to support that change. How on earth does your personal experience compare to any of that? You don't even cite what made it easy.
  • damnyou 7y ago
    There are benefits to locking yourself into a vertically integrated ecosystem run like an authoritarian state, but also risks. This illustrates the risks. Diversification is good long-term even if it produces slightly worse results in the short term.
• runjake 7y ago
  I’ll tell you one reason why you shouldn’t switch to a Lenovo laptop: their atrocious history with backdoors and buggy, vulnerable software, and the lockdown within their BIOS/UEFI to prevent things like swapping components for no good reason. Ok well, that was more than one reason, but you get the drift.
  • krn 7y ago
    That's not true for Lenovo Thinkpads, which is a separate business division from Lenovo consumer hardware, as far as I am aware. And subsidizing consumer hardware with spyware has, unfortunately, become a standard industry practice. Most smartphone and Smart TV manufacturers are shipping their consumer devices full of bloatware that is extremely hard to get rid of.
    • isatty 7y ago
      I don't get the second part of your reply. So what? Take it lying down?
      • krn 7y ago
        For non-Apple consumers I see only two options now: to avoid consumer-level hardware (unless it runs something like Android One), or to replace the OS with an open-source alternative (Ubuntu and Fedora work pretty much out of the box on most PCs). In case of Smart TVs, one either has to buy a Commercial TV[1], or run something like Kodi[2]. [1] https://www.lg.com/us/business/commercial-tvs https://www.lg.com/us/business/commercial-tvs [2] https://kodi.tv/ https://kodi.tv/
    • briandear 7y ago
      > And subsidizing consumer hardware with spyware has, unfortunately, become a standard industry practice Not at Apple.
    • runjake 7y ago
      It is entirely true for Thinkpads. In fact I wasn’t even really aware of their consumer line. All of what I mentioned occurred on Thinkpads. And maybe spyware is a standard industry practice like you said. In fact, I’d agree that’s very true. But this is a MacBook thread and I’ve yet to see such a practice on Apple laptops.
• briandear 7y ago
  I have a SAAS that uses video chat for medical professionals and the #1 creator of support tickets for video problems are those with Lenovo. In fact, when someone has an audio of video problem, “Is this a Lenovo” is among the first questions we ask. The people who have the fewest technical issues? Mac users. A single anecdote, of course, but advice to switch to Linux is naïve. Most people aren’t software developers. Many people use their computers for things like graphic design or media editing. How do you run Final Cut or Logic on Lenovo with Linux? How about Photoshop? MacOS and Apple hardware is superior for a wide variety of use cases. Maybe not yours, but for many people the pluses of Apple far outweigh the minuses.
  • krn 7y ago
    > I have a SAAS that uses video chat for medical professionals and the #1 creator of support tickets for video problems are those with Lenovo. In fact, when someone has an audio of video problem, “Is this a Lenovo” is among the first questions we ask. The people who have the fewest technical issues? Mac users. That says nothing without knowing what percentage of people were using each brand. Also, Lenovo's consumer hardware is of a much lower quality than Lenovo Thinkpads, which still maintain the standards of IBM. > A single anecdote, of course, but advice to switch to Linux is naïve. Most people aren’t software developers. I have switched all of my non-technical family members from Windows to Ubuntu over 5 years ago, and haven't received a single complaint from them yet. A single anecdote, of course. > Many people use their computers for things like graphic design or media editing. That's a minority of computer users. Most people use computers for web browsing, media consumption, and editing of Office documents. > How do you run Final Cut or Logic on Lenovo with Linux? Photoshop? Bitwig Studio[1] runs on all platforms and is in many ways superior to Logic Pro. Adobe Photoshop can be installed on Linux[2], but for professional graphical and video editing I would still choose MacOS. In other words, the only market where iMacs and Macbooks are clearly above competition is creative industry. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwig_Studio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwig_Studio [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/7ql4kl/the_screenshots_of_photoshop_cc_2018_64bit_on/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/7ql4kl/the_screensho...