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Cook is a complete businessman, best at cutting costs, increasing profits and attracting customers to buy more. Don't forget that memory began to weld on the mo

by lqs469 7y ago

Cook is a complete businessman, best at cutting costs, increasing profits and attracting customers to buy more. Don't forget that memory began to weld on the motherboard because this can only be replaced and not upgraded. He was a businessman, not an engineer or a designer, and that was the beginning of apple's decline.

ed_blackburn 7y ago
He's Gates Ballmer.
alwayseasy 7y ago
What metric are you using to point to Apple's decline since Tim Cook came into the company? Product lines, revenue, customers, market cap, employees, daily client interactions, brand value, customer satisfaction?
- securityfreak 7y ago
  I believe he is using the far more superior metric, called “subjective perception”.
- dman 7y ago
  Choice as a customer - choice of upgrading the RAM, choice of getting to keep the data in case the motherboard fails, choice of picking a non genius bar repair shop, choice of looking at product schematics, choice of being able to buy legitimate spare parts for Apple products
- ardy42 7y ago
  > What metric are you using to point to Apple's decline since Tim Cook came into the company? Product lines, revenue, customers, market cap, employees, daily client interactions, brand value, customer satisfaction? Not everything can be measured, or measured practicably. Qualitative judgments are valuable. Looking at things too much through the lens of metrics can make you blind to many things.
  - anthonypasq 7y ago
    Except the metrics are overwhelmingly in Cook's favor on this one. Monumentally in his favor.
amrrs 7y ago
This cliched argument is quite ironic and insane. A leader doesn't have to be visionary all the time. Just last week there was a news about Apple selling more Watches than the entire Swiss industry and no one would talk about Cook there but when things go wrong, we forget that it's someone in QA or Product but all the blame goes to how Cook isn't a Product guy.
- missosoup 7y ago
  > A leader doesn't have to be visionary all the time Yes they do. If they're not visionary, then they're just a manager. Apple grew because of a visionary, and now it shrinks because the best a manager can do is try to maintain the status quo in the face of changing factors. It's fundamentally a losing battle.
  - amrrs 7y ago
    Perhaps I wasn't specific - "Product Visionary" I meant!
    - missosoup 7y ago
      In the context of what we're discussing here, everything Apple does is product (including services), and needs a product visionary. They've degenerated to minmaxing profits and running focus groups to tell them what to do without any overarching vision or long term plan, just like GP commenter said. It's sad. Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave.
      - castis 7y ago
        But he's making very little noise while doing so.
  - dahart 7y ago
    > Apple grew because of a visionary Jobs was a business man and manager, and Apple hasn’t had ‘visionary’ product release every single time, some of them were run-of-the-mill upgrades. Arguably, iPhone may be the only major visionary achievement after Mac 1. Anyway, all of the Apple hecklers talked about how Jobs wasn’t a visionary, or had lost his vision, with every single product release, every Mac change, every iPhone, tablet, watch. Claiming that Jobs was the singular visionary and Apple is doomed without him has a long history, somewhat buys into a pro-Apple narrative, and views Jobs with rose-colored glasses. It’s a nice thought, but not exactly accurate. > and now it shrinks By what metric is Apple shrinking? They just reported their best quarter ever.
thijsvandien 7y ago
Tim Cook is (to an extent?) an engineer. He has a Bachelor of Science in Industrial Engineering as well as a Master of Business Administration.
- luxuryballs 7y ago
  That doesn’t make you an engineer though that just makes you a graduate.
  - naeemtee 7y ago
    So a rigorous 4 year degree in a highly technical engineering stream doesn’t make him an engineer, but the script kiddie high school dropout making crypto apps is? Give me a break. Tim Cook is more engineer than 90% of people who call themselves one.
- VHRanger 7y ago
  ... so he's an MBA

by lqs469 7y ago

ed_blackburn 7y ago

He's Gates Ballmer.

alwayseasy 7y ago

What metric are you using to point to Apple's decline since Tim Cook came into the company? Product lines, revenue, customers, market cap, employees, daily client interactions, brand value, customer satisfaction?

securityfreak 7y ago
I believe he is using the far more superior metric, called “subjective perception”.
dman 7y ago
Choice as a customer - choice of upgrading the RAM, choice of getting to keep the data in case the motherboard fails, choice of picking a non genius bar repair shop, choice of looking at product schematics, choice of being able to buy legitimate spare parts for Apple products
ardy42 7y ago
> What metric are you using to point to Apple's decline since Tim Cook came into the company? Product lines, revenue, customers, market cap, employees, daily client interactions, brand value, customer satisfaction? Not everything can be measured, or measured practicably. Qualitative judgments are valuable. Looking at things too much through the lens of metrics can make you blind to many things.
- anthonypasq 7y ago
  Except the metrics are overwhelmingly in Cook's favor on this one. Monumentally in his favor.

amrrs 7y ago

This cliched argument is quite ironic and insane. A leader doesn't have to be visionary all the time. Just last week there was a news about Apple selling more Watches than the entire Swiss industry and no one would talk about Cook there but when things go wrong, we forget that it's someone in QA or Product but all the blame goes to how Cook isn't a Product guy.

missosoup 7y ago
> A leader doesn't have to be visionary all the time Yes they do. If they're not visionary, then they're just a manager. Apple grew because of a visionary, and now it shrinks because the best a manager can do is try to maintain the status quo in the face of changing factors. It's fundamentally a losing battle.
- amrrs 7y ago
  Perhaps I wasn't specific - "Product Visionary" I meant!
  - missosoup 7y ago
    In the context of what we're discussing here, everything Apple does is product (including services), and needs a product visionary. They've degenerated to minmaxing profits and running focus groups to tell them what to do without any overarching vision or long term plan, just like GP commenter said. It's sad. Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave.
    - castis 7y ago
      But he's making very little noise while doing so.
- dahart 7y ago
  > Apple grew because of a visionary Jobs was a business man and manager, and Apple hasn’t had ‘visionary’ product release every single time, some of them were run-of-the-mill upgrades. Arguably, iPhone may be the only major visionary achievement after Mac 1. Anyway, all of the Apple hecklers talked about how Jobs wasn’t a visionary, or had lost his vision, with every single product release, every Mac change, every iPhone, tablet, watch. Claiming that Jobs was the singular visionary and Apple is doomed without him has a long history, somewhat buys into a pro-Apple narrative, and views Jobs with rose-colored glasses. It’s a nice thought, but not exactly accurate. > and now it shrinks By what metric is Apple shrinking? They just reported their best quarter ever.

thijsvandien 7y ago

Tim Cook is (to an extent?) an engineer. He has a Bachelor of Science in Industrial Engineering as well as a Master of Business Administration.

luxuryballs 7y ago
That doesn’t make you an engineer though that just makes you a graduate.
- naeemtee 7y ago
  So a rigorous 4 year degree in a highly technical engineering stream doesn’t make him an engineer, but the script kiddie high school dropout making crypto apps is? Give me a break. Tim Cook is more engineer than 90% of people who call themselves one.
VHRanger 7y ago
... so he's an MBA