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It won't. When you buy FSD and sell the car, the FSD stays with the car. This is a muddy situation where car was sold back to Tesla, dealer bought it from Tes
by kjksf 7y ago
It won't.
When you buy FSD and sell the car, the FSD stays with the car.
This is a muddy situation where car was sold back to Tesla, dealer bought it from Tesla and sold to a third party.
Dealer claims it bought the car with FSD from Tesla. Tesla claims the car never had FSD and it was enabled by mistake.
Someone is lying but it's a one off situation.
You don't loose $7k feature when you sell the car, it stays with the car.
- Hamuko 7y ago>Tesla claims the car never had FSD and it was enabled by mistake. How on earth can the car both never had FSD and having FSD enabled by mistake? The car either had FSD, or it didn't.
- gambiting 7y agoAll Teslas are built with FSD hardware included. If you pay the extra $7k or whatever it is, they just enable it for you in software. In here, they are just arguing that it was enabled by mistake and the customer never paid for it in the first place.
- Hamuko 7y agoThat's like how the BMW E46 comes with cruise control. All of the circuits to enable cruise control are in the cars from factory (except maybe not for the earliest model years). However, if you chose not to get a multifunction steering wheel, you can't activate it. What if a customer ordered a car without the multifunction steering wheel and BMW accidentally built it with it. Couple of years forwards and someone notices that for some reason, the order sheet and the build sheet do not match. The owner takes their car to be serviced and the BMW technician switches the multifunction steering wheel panel with the blank steering wheel panel. How can BMW at that point explain that the customer never paid for cruise control and therefore they never had it? The manufacturer shouldn't punish the consumer for their mistakes.
- TheGrumpyBrit 7y agoWhich honestly doesn't sound relevant to the purchaser. My understanding is that the Monroney sticker stipulates exactly what features are included in the vehicle, as provided by the manufacturer. By purchasing the vehicle, the customer has paid for exactly those features. This is like them saying "Oh, we forgot to charge your dealer you for the premium interior and lighting" (which is listed on the same sheet as a $5000 option) - your response would quite rightly be "Tough, I bought it from the dealer at the agreed price based on the features listed, it's mine now"
- gambiting 7y agoAbsolutely, and as others have already pointed out, it's on the dealer to put this right. Either refund the customer, pay for the upgrade, or take the car back.
- huffmsa 7y agoI think Tesla might have turned it on to recertify the vehicle before auction, and forgot to turn it off. And a system's audit revealed the discrepancy, and rather than just eating the loss, they decided to turn off the feature. Or maybe it wasn't malicious, and the OTA update system had it listed as non-FSD and sent it an update which bricked the FSD.
- alistairSH 7y agoExcept the FSD was also on the new-car Monroney sticker, as shown in the article. As far as anybody outside Tesla can tell, the car was originally sold with FSD. It appears the owner had it, used it, then got caught in this update nightmare.
- huffmsa 7y agoAh. Missed that part. Thought it was just after it was sold back that it got turned on
- martin_a 7y ago> You don't loose $7k feature when you sell the car, it stays with the car. Well, seems like FSD is not something that is really tied to the car but a checkbox in some configuration for the car. Tesla gives, Tesla takes. That's kind of scary. (sometimes accidently)
- huffmsa 7y agoIf a car manufacturer accidentally sells a car with an upgraded interior priced as a non-upgraded interior, once it's gone, they can't chase down whoever owns it and swap out the seat leather. They fucked up, too bad, so sad, try again next time.
- KMnO4 7y agoTurns out that’s not the case with software
- huffmsa 7y agoA decent lawyer will make the case that it either is or Tesla should be in the hook to renegotiate every upgrade, every time the vehicle resells.
- Slartie 7y agoI am pretty sure it is. Stealing something that someone legally bought from you back again because you made a mistake when calculating the sales price is blatantly illegal, regardless of whether the "stealing process" includes breaking up the car door and ripping out seats or unchecking some checkbox in a remote management software. The latter is much easier, but not an iota less illegal from the viewpoint of the law.
- overgard 7y agoWhich is why the last car I bought, I intentionally chose something that had practically zero software.
- mannykannot 7y ago> You don't loose $7k feature when you sell the car, it stays with the car. ... revokable with a change in the EULA? Does the EULA have an arbitration clause? It would be a dumb move to pull this trick, but then again, what they did here was a dumb move. You can't trust the bean-counters to be reasonable when they see a way to get more beans.
- JohnFen 7y ago> it's a one off situation. Doesn't matter. The fact that Tesla can alter the vehicle according to their whims makes the car undesirable to me.