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> Vue forces you to have some logic expressed using an ad hoc language in templates That's not true, you can use JSX with Vue, we do use that for one of our cl

> Vue forces you to have some logic expressed using an ad hoc language in templates That's not true, you can use JSX with Vue, we do use that for one of our clients and it hasn't raised issues whatsoever

crubier 7y ago
You are right indeed, but from a developer point of view at that point you could be using a react based framework and your experience would be the similar to vue with JSX. Render functions returning JSX is the key brilliant idea invented by react and the fact that vue adopted it just proves the point even more: React or the ideas at the core of react are not the mistake of the last decade but the blessing of the last decade for web development (and more).
- izietto 7y ago
  > from a developer point of view at that point you could be using a react based framework and your experience would be the similar to vue with JSX It will not, because Vue has a better integration with the data source (Vuex) and a better integration with the routing (Vue Router) I mean, I agree that React is an awesome framework implemented upon great design ideas (pure functions and plain JS templates), but it has its shortcomings, that frankly make me still prefer Vue to React (mainly Redux and the router)
  - crubier 7y ago
    For routing react-router is just perfect. And for data source/state management there is plenty of choice, I use Apollo for global state/data source and useState for small state full interactions, I can’t see how it could get simpler. But whatever floats you boat really, the point is that the nice part of vue are inspired by react anyway. I wish the two community merged, to be honest, I see no point in dividing for such small differences.
    - spaceribs 7y ago
      > But whatever floats you boat really You specifically argued against that, your arguments seem to be highly religious in nature. I don't know how many years you've worked in the industry but if you think React will be the dominant way of building apps for the next ten years, I have some Adobe Flash developers who I'm sure would like to say a few words.
      - orange8 7y ago
        haha! Former hotshot Flash ActionScript 3 Ninja Developer reporting for duty as requested. Seriously though, JSX and TypeScript are nothing new. Both were part of ActionScript 3, a big language backed by a powerful company (Adobe). 15 years later, nobody even remembers it existed. How am I still making a comfortable living coding today? By not getting too attached to any language or framework... they are all just tools in the end. So let the young ones be, time will eventually teach them those lessons, sooner than they think.
        pier25 7y ago
        Huh? AS3 had XML integrated into it? I remember E4X and Flex but not a JSX like syntax.
        orange8 7y ago
        It wasn't exactly like JSX, more powerful as the XML was just another program data type to work with like strings and arrays.
      - crubier 7y ago
        The ideas behind react will still be big in ten years yes. My arguments are not religious but based on facts, I can share my PhD thesis from 2016 about user interface specification languages, that includes a comparison of more than 20 different approaches including react. Flash was always a proprietary platform and only fools would have bet their whole career on it back then. The situation of the ideas behind react, and browsers as a platform are very different. I’m not betting my career on it though (I’m a CTO in a company which Is not centered around web stuff) but I do believe that these ideas will leave an impact in the industry, and this belief is backed by specifically studying this topic for 4years, plus my 15years in the industry.
rawoke083600 7y ago
I don't want a "you could..." in my framework... I want a "this is the way" in my framework. Thus me the dev before me... the dev after me can get on with things. It will not be the perfect solution but it will be a consistent solution... This is of course true for any framework.

crubier 7y ago

You are right indeed, but from a developer point of view at that point you could be using a react based framework and your experience would be the similar to vue with JSX. Render functions returning JSX is the key brilliant idea invented by react and the fact that vue adopted it just proves the point even more: React or the ideas at the core of react are not the mistake of the last decade but the blessing of the last decade for web development (and more).

izietto 7y ago
> from a developer point of view at that point you could be using a react based framework and your experience would be the similar to vue with JSX It will not, because Vue has a better integration with the data source (Vuex) and a better integration with the routing (Vue Router) I mean, I agree that React is an awesome framework implemented upon great design ideas (pure functions and plain JS templates), but it has its shortcomings, that frankly make me still prefer Vue to React (mainly Redux and the router)
- crubier 7y ago
  For routing react-router is just perfect. And for data source/state management there is plenty of choice, I use Apollo for global state/data source and useState for small state full interactions, I can’t see how it could get simpler. But whatever floats you boat really, the point is that the nice part of vue are inspired by react anyway. I wish the two community merged, to be honest, I see no point in dividing for such small differences.
  - spaceribs 7y ago
    > But whatever floats you boat really You specifically argued against that, your arguments seem to be highly religious in nature. I don't know how many years you've worked in the industry but if you think React will be the dominant way of building apps for the next ten years, I have some Adobe Flash developers who I'm sure would like to say a few words.
    - orange8 7y ago
      haha! Former hotshot Flash ActionScript 3 Ninja Developer reporting for duty as requested. Seriously though, JSX and TypeScript are nothing new. Both were part of ActionScript 3, a big language backed by a powerful company (Adobe). 15 years later, nobody even remembers it existed. How am I still making a comfortable living coding today? By not getting too attached to any language or framework... they are all just tools in the end. So let the young ones be, time will eventually teach them those lessons, sooner than they think.
      - pier25 7y ago
        Huh? AS3 had XML integrated into it? I remember E4X and Flex but not a JSX like syntax.
        orange8 7y ago
        It wasn't exactly like JSX, more powerful as the XML was just another program data type to work with like strings and arrays.
    - crubier 7y ago
      The ideas behind react will still be big in ten years yes. My arguments are not religious but based on facts, I can share my PhD thesis from 2016 about user interface specification languages, that includes a comparison of more than 20 different approaches including react. Flash was always a proprietary platform and only fools would have bet their whole career on it back then. The situation of the ideas behind react, and browsers as a platform are very different. I’m not betting my career on it though (I’m a CTO in a company which Is not centered around web stuff) but I do believe that these ideas will leave an impact in the industry, and this belief is backed by specifically studying this topic for 4years, plus my 15years in the industry.

rawoke083600 7y ago

I don't want a "you could..." in my framework... I want a "this is the way" in my framework. Thus me the dev before me... the dev after me can get on with things. It will not be the perfect solution but it will be a consistent solution... This is of course true for any framework.